Vaccination question

If they're going to be suggesting that you cant do x, y and z before you have a vaccine then yes that's forcing it on the population imho

 

I'm definitely having it if it means we can return to some sort of normality. We're not living a life as we are, we're just existing.

 

See what you’re saying.
Yesterday I was out for lunch. We visited a local restaurant. All possible regulations seemed to be covered. Plenty distance and hand sanitizers so I felt quite comfortable but if I had had the vaccine with 70% success rate I think I’d have been 70% more at ease
Does that make sense?

 

Almost certainly and it will be difficult to tell the impact alone. A bit like infections going down before masks and up after ect. So many factors at play it's hard to track just one as making a difference.

 

I’d like to see a move away from case numbers having such a high impact following the vaccine, if there is a decline in the amount of hospital admissions and then deaths compared to cases. I think that’s where the numbers will start to shift, as more of the vulnerable get vaccinated

 

It does Ian. The other thing that is a slight worry is that when the vaccine is available everyone sees this "return to normality" as a reason to go back to how we were living before. We have to learn from this year and make adjustments both in our home lives (washing hands regularly, keeping space when we visit family and friends) and in towns (hand sanitizers, social distancing) etc. Does that make sense

 

It's the most important metric as you say, otherwise healthy people being counted as a "case" is something I find very odd.

 

Well yes that’s true, however there is a correlation between a rise in cases, then a rise in hospital admissions 1-2 weeks later, then a rise in deaths 1-2 weeks after that. That’s why cases are important still. Kind of like an early warning sign.

 

Absolutely mate. We will all have to learn how to live differently.

 

Under the terms you’ve presented, yes, of course, why would anyone not? I have the flu vaccine every year.

Here in the real world my concerns would be the duration of the testing having taken place, I just fail to see how they can have understood potential long term side effects in such a short period of time. I get all the fast tracking and the way that money makes this possible but money doesn’t speed up time to understand long term physiological effects two, five and ten years down the line does it?

The reality is I will be highly likely to have it, along with my children, but I will have felt forced into doing it because not doing so will effectively mean opting out of society. But practicality will trump principles.

 

When you start wearing a Wednesday shirt is the time to worry

 

I completely get the long term effect worries. Hell, I was shouting about them myself when what felt like 2 days after we got our first case db3k was adamant we’d have a vaccine the day after.

I was reading the other day though (I’ll try and find the link again if you’re interested) that they’re not cutting any corners, but they’re doing things that would normally put them at risk of losing money. Aka. Running stage 1 of testing alongside stages 2, 3 and 4. whereas usually they would wait for stage 1 to pass before moving on, as if stage 1 fails there’s no point wasting money on stage 2, 3 and 4. (Over simplified but you get the point) that eased a lot of my fears about it to be honest. It’s going through the exact same testing as any other vaccine.

 

But under normal timescales, the testing still comes right at the end of the development cycle. It’s not as if it takes 10 years to come to market because we’ve waited 8 yrs for long term results.

most of the 10 years is spent doing nothing except arguing about funding and financial viability.

We get a unique flu vaccine every year, it’s a cocktail of drugs that may not have been given in exactly those doses before, and from concept to delivery it’s done in months.

Add that to the drugs that may already be in use by some of the recipients, and we end up with some people having totally unique combinations of drugs that may not have been tested together by anyone ever.

 

A bit of a tangent, and curious what peoples views are.

Say the vaccine was as near as damn it completely successful and open to all. Everyone has it and corona virus is no more, or certainly we're able to live our lives as we choose.

Would you live your life as you did before covid? And if not, what would you change or do differently? Are there things you've discovered during lockdown and the restrictions that you'd look to keep and continue, and are there any things you've learned from all of this?

 

https://www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment/eligibility

No mention there.

 

Possibly because an approved vaccine doesn't exist yet?????

 

Section 2 updated on October 16th.....

https://www.gov.uk/government/consu...ovid-19-vaccines#civil-liability-and-immunity

https://fullfact.org/health/unlicen...rers-are-immune-some-not-all-civil-liability/

 

Yep it is something to take into consideration when having it if one of first to do so, but I would imagine by the time the general public get to have it it will have been licenced.

 

Already started Quantas flights say no vaccine jab means no flight with them