We are far too NARROW— 4-1-2-3 just isn’t working

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  1. Wat

    Wathred Active Member

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    Agree with most of that but what everyone is not acknowledging is that teams in this division have better players (technically). We can't play 2 in midfield and wingers as we are not good enough in and out of possession. We are trying to bridge the gap in quality by bring organized and having good workrate. That's why Williams plays although there is scope i feel in the 4-1-2-3 we definitely played against Norwich to either replace him with Mallan or Moncur or play him instead of Gardner (though it would be wrong to leave him out after Tuesday). We haven't scored enough goals all season and have had to go more direct. We have done better but had a tough run of fixtures away from home. I'm more confident that we will survive playing this way than what we were doing under the previous manager.
     
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    Young Nudger Well-Known Member

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    Other teams have individuals that are better than Barnsley players. There were one or two on show even against Norwich.
    But generally I think we have easily enough talent in this Barnsley squad to be mid table or even higher.
    But my point is this - that talent is NOT currently on show or it is being limited because we have only one option when we get hold of the ball - and that one option is to lump it straight upfield to Moore.
    At the moment - if opposing teams can keep Moore quiet then they more or less nullify Barnsley’s attacking threat.
    It’s only when McBurnie drifts in to the centre from the left that the threat of scoring is greatly increased.
    McBurnie should be in a central position ALL of the time.
     
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    Our only real problem with the new formation is that we only have one full back who is capable of going forward well & that is Yiadom.
    Cavare may be able to do it, but has proved a bit of a liability. Fryers is a solid enough defender, but his touch is lacking going forward.
    I think at the end of the day whatever formation you adopt you need to run with it for a while, so players get used to it, but you need to be able to switch if the opponents are exploiting the inherent weaknesses of said formation.
     
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    Its harder to mark someone coming in from a wide position - Higgy scored 20+ goals doing just that. Also It seems the majority of our goals since we changed formation have come from balls into the box from wide
     
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    Both goals against Birmingham came from crosses from the right.

    The goal against Hull came from a cross from the right.

    The goal against Cardiff stemmed from a run and cross from the right.

    The goal against Norwich came from a cross from the right.

    Nudger must’ve missed these if the only option we’ve got is launching it to Moore.
     
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    442 is so very old fashioned these days wingers are extinct right mids now,or even inter-changing so full backs can get up im liking the new system and to be fair if we have the sort of players we should have then boy we would be more blistering in attack, at the moment we only got the players we go close to end of season ,along with judas **** leaving for leeds all we have to do is hope and pray and to be honest this is jose's learning curve for a proper full season next season nothing can be blamed on him it will be exciting times ahead wether it be in a lower league or still where we are next season in the championship jose will get his own players in ect ect those that can cope with any formation,,its the players that gets you the wins not the formation at the end of the day,now if judas **** was still in charge using his crappy style of 442 im pretty sure we'd have been worse off than sunderland,,we just need to get this crap season out of the way then we can SHINE,MARCH FORWARD and SHOW what force we can and will be,,, have patience,support jose,,, nowt much to ask now,,, YOU REDSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!
     
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    All ideas are great in theory, but when you factor in the opposition they're not as easy to turn into reality.

    As much as we're not winning games, the current formation is only falling short because we're not taking enough chances.

    Crosses are coming in, Moore is winning headers and mcburnie is scoring every week.

    We are having plenty of possession and during the last 3 games we've had getting on for 20 goal attempts in each game.
     
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    Young Nudger Well-Known Member

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    And how many of those matches did we win?
    If Jose plays the same tactic - just count how many big boooit up field there is to Moore.
     
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    We’ve consistently played it long to the striker(s) all season irrespective of the system that the manager has adopted. I don’t quite understand your point as I’ve just disproved your theory that our only option is to launch it long as it simply isn’t.

    What I will say though is that when we have gone long to Moore, McBurnie or Thiam it has been rather successful as all three are able to hold the ball up, win headers and bring others into play.
     
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    We tend to play it long because there’s nil creativity in the middle of the park and the wingers have been almost as bad when played

    I say it again though, had Thiam hit the back of the net instead of the corner flag we’d have won the game.
     
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    Agreed although Moore should’ve also tucked his glorious chance away just beforehand.
     

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