Whenever there is a tragedy

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  1. Sup

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    Why do we go to the MPs for comments?
    It is awful what has happened in that tower block in London but why do we need the media to run off to Theresa may for a comment? Really what can she say that makes it any better?
     
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    Why should she be expected to make it better?

    Anyway we should just leave it to the media themselves to come up with meaningless platitudes about services and community bravery, while what they really want is a meaningful death toll. Or someone - preferably politically based - to seem responsible.

    There really should be a cut off point on how many times they're allowed to post the same interview with the afflicted. Cos after a while it desensitizes the gravity of it all.
     
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    That was kind of my point. How can she make it better and why should she? Obviously if she could in any way she should but that goes for everyone including you and me, it isn't related to her role as prime minister.

    On one of the news websites today they have a photo taken inside the building showing a body on the floor. Did we really need to see that? What sort of sick mind thinks that is a good thing to include in a news article?
     
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    Perhaps when it's terror related her government should be able to explain why she puts people's feelings before people's lives
     
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    The government clearly has a lot to answer for In this latest tragedy but those are questions for another day. Just important to look after those who were in the building in whatever way they can before tackling those who sat on health and safety reports or voted against legislation impelling landlords to make their properties fit for human habitation.


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    Nothing but going to the PM or the Head of the local council does make sense

    The one I always wonder about is who elects the community leaders that also get interviewed.
     
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    Because the Government have been sitting on a report from 2013 by the All Party Parliamentary Fire and Safety group on their concerns over safety in Tower blocks.


    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ty-warnings-ignored-tower-block-a7790501.html
     
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    Why should a fire in a tower block disrupt the negotiations between CON/DUP, thus delaying the Queen's Speech and the start of the Brexit process? Next it'll be "Oh no we can't possibly pass this vitally important piece of legislation because somebody in Thurnscoe has stubbed his toe.....", pathetic.
     
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    It looks like it's being used to buy time IMO. Lot of concerns being raised around the DUP deal and you'd think
    they would want to share the detail and discuss any likely possible implications with as many in
    the party as they can.

    As far as yesterdays fire is concerned suggested lack of investment / short cuts in materials used could be a possible cause.?
    Know more when forensic inspections are completed. Its a fact that Government spending cuts and the reluctance to invest can and does impact on safety as far as buildings and housing stock in both the private and public sector are concerned.


    Lot of questions to be answered on who's done what but whatever the outcome it won't offer any comfort to
    those who have lost friends and loved ones as a result of this tragic event .
     
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    The only good thing about it all is that Kay Burley wasn't rushed to the scene .
     
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    Katie Hopkins was though. That would finish you off.


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    This is telling from the article you quote
    Now I am all for scrapping unnecessary regulations and wouldnt want to see a law requiring sprinklers to be fitted to domestic houses where its practical to escape very easily but tower blocks - when the recommendation was made after a fire caused deaths that could have been prevented - this isnt looking back with hindsight this is just common sense.
     
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    I think that it is entirely right that those in authority, whether at national (MPs), or local (Council), or private landlord level are held accountable and expected to comment to the media. It is in these conditions that so many people in cities are forced to live. Those in authority have a responsibility to ensure their safety as far as it can reasonably be achieved. I wonder when there was last a fire drill at any high rise block? There probably never has been. It should be possible to evacuate any building within five-ten minutes maximum. That clearly wasn't the case here. Somehow, the event just symbolises the skimping, saving and cutting of investment in even basics for so many who have to live like this. it just seems like a disaster waiting to happen, not just in a residential building like this, but in other public services such as transport, the health service and so on. The era of the economics of Milton Freedman is drawing to its deserved close. Even Blair didn't alter it. You can only cut costs so far in competitive tendering for anything. It's time that public services in many forms were funded according their properly evaluated needs and, yes, even if that means we all have to fork out a bit more. This tragic fire and loss of life is more than just a shame for our nation. It is a disgrace. How many more cuts, Theresa?
     
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    If it comes down to the problems being a consequence of the austerity policies pursued by the Conservative government, do you think Mr Osbourne will publicly apologise on the front cover of the Evening Standard or blame his former colleagues for it?
     
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    May's new adviser (him with a eead like a mouse and abart as big as one) the ex-housing minister who as brushed building reg's under the carpet since 2015, as a lot to answer in this tragedy.
    May's just made a visit well away from the public "I wonder why").
    Corbin's just been as well meeting all and state's "question's will have to be answered till we get to bottom of this tragedy," surly May as P.M. should be talking like this, yet again "I wonder why".
    The Queen sent her condolences to the family's. Nothing yet from our P.M. towards the family's.
    It makes me very angry.
     
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    They will pass the blame down the line like they always do.
    Some poor sod at the end of the chain or the sub contractors will probably bear the brunt.
    Unconfirmed speculation that a fridge has exploded in a flat on the 4th floor is currently doing the rounds.

    It's about time electrical appliance manufacturers were also hammered ( e.g. the Hotpoint dryer issue)
    to prevent sub standard products being sold to unsuspecting customers.

    Hotpoint have been telling users to make sure the filters are kept free from fluff and to only use them
    when they can monitor them until they can get round to correcting the fault by retro fitting a device that
    prevents them bursting into flames. The alternative offered is to pay between £90 and £125 for a new appliance
    whilst having your old one taken away.

    To my mind the Government should have insisted they be replaced free of charge before any more fires
    have the chance to put more lives at risk.

    The cost of employing front line and back office staff to field calls and make appointments, transport,
    subsistence, fitters and equipment must have cost an absolute bomb.

    Plus they would have received public credibility and sustained brand loyalty going forward.
    As it stands customers have probably lost confidence and might now look to buy brands other than Whirlpool
    who manufacture Hotpoint products.

    Serves 'em rey't IMO.
     
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    We have one of these dryers, we'd only had it a couple of weeks when we got a letter stating that it was a risk. We did find it strange that it said it could set on fire but they wouldn't be fixing it for a while. I'd almost forgotten about it by the time they did. We always keep it fluff free anyway so the only change we made was to only put it on when we would be in the house and awake.
     
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    Further speculation as to possible cause seems to put some of the blame on the power supply which
    is operated by the local Distribution Network Operator.

    Some residents have reported that frequent power surges have caused PC's to overheat and catch fire.
    The Fire service will be looking for the source of the fire over the coming days.
    Main concern is the fire spread so quickly as a result of combustible panels used to clad the building.

    Looks as though the shock and disbelief is now being overtaken by anger that this tradegy could have
    happened in one of the richest Boroughs in the UK.
    The Government ,Council , Landlord, contractors have a lot of questions to answer.
     
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    The fire risk isn't just confined to dryers. We had a Bosch dishwasher, around 1 year old. We were in the front room and heard a bang. We rushed into the kitchen to find the control panel burning and melting, with acrid smoke coming off it.

    It was replaced by John Lewis, but following this we would never operate the dishwasher whilst out of the house.
     
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    MSN News is worth a read this morning, setting out some of the main ways in which the residents were let down by the authorities and the regulations. Leader of Kensington and Chelsea Council blaming the residents for the disaster. Doesn't this just sound like it will turn into another Hillsborough???? Have we learned nothing?
     

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