WINDRUSH....REALLY

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  1. Dragon Tyke

    Dragon Tyke Well-Known Member

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    when you consider the illegal immigrants who have come the uk in recent years and have been molly coddled by the UK then this is a disgrace. Suddenly thousands of the 'Windrush Generation' are threatened with deportation due to some cock up with their paperwork. Surely this can be sorted out.
     
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    I don't know why their lack of paper work has suddenly become an issue. ID has been required for years to work, rent, claim etc.
     
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    Right wing in charge of Tory party at present aided by anti immigrant rhetoric caused by their referendum on the EU.
    This is an own goal by any stretch of the imagination.
    Let’s hope and demand it’s sorted out quickly and decisively and a torch is shone into the seedy back dealings keeping the party clinging to power
     
  4. Dragon Tyke

    Dragon Tyke Well-Known Member

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    surely if they have worked then they will have a national Insurance number etc. Also since they began to arrive in 1948 we have had SEVEN national census's taken.
     
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    A handy deflection to what is really going on with this government.
     
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    They also don't issue you with a national insurance number if you're not supposed to be here.
     
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    It's disgusting, all this was brought about by the previous home secretary a certain Teresa May with her hostile I migration laws as she called them now leaving the new home secretary with egg on her face.
     
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    Only to improve her looks
     
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    She's just as bad. Amber Rudderless
     
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    They are supposed to be here. They were brought here as British citizens. The problem is the paperwork required to suddenly prove it and the cost involved.
     
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    I know they are. That's what I'm saying. They wouldn't have been given a national insurance number if they weren't here legitimately. The national insurance number is therefore proof in itself.
     
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    I know of 4 regular English folk, Barnsley-born, who have been forced out of the UK because of Mrs May's stance on immigration when she was Home Secretary. 3 married Americans, one a Canadian. All spouses native English speakers with decent qualifications and solid history of work. Despite being married and in some cases having kids, the government still wouldn't give their partners a visa, so they've been forced to up sticks and emigrate to continue with their family lives. All have been in the Chron from time to time too. The Home Office doesn't even play by their own rules - many people have been deported since 2012 despite following every single immigration law, applying for everything legitimately and providing everything required. Many might not realise this, but they sneakily passed a law under the table forcing people to appeal decisions after they've been deported. The catch? They can't turn up to their hearing because they were deported! This means the Home Office can decline an application for a reason it knows to be wrongful, then deport the person and scupper their appeal. All to drive down net migration figures so ar Daz up Worsbrough can 'feel back british innit'.
     
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    That's not always the case, in many cases people come here to work on a time-limited visa. These people are still granted an NI number, even though their leave to remain might only be 6 months.
     
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    The entitlement is recorded on the NI number application though.
     
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    Fair enough
     
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    Only laying under the mower would have a chance of that
     
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    I know it is popular to bash the government on here, and in fairness when it comes to immigration policy the buck stops there, but surely this is symptomatic of a 'jobsworth' 'don't raise or escalate problems with managers' culture within the civil service, particularly the Home Office where senior civil servants are following the letter of the law in the total absence of compassion, decency and common sense.

    It was reported to day that the son of a woman who has lived here for decades is about to be deported. Deported to where? It is beyond comprehension that people who have lived, worked, paid taxes and NI, brought up families are suddenly having to prove the right to stay simply because a number of them do not have the specific documentation the new rules require.

    Yes the then Home Secretary (TM) introduced tougher rules but the implementation and mis-intepretation of those rules is surely where the problem lies.

    I am not out to specifically defend TM/The Cons here, but it is not the first time, and it wont be the last, that well intentioned legislation by Governments of all parties has had unintended consequences.

    The real test surely is how the Government addresses those issues and to me at least, the Govt has reacted positively when the situation became apparent. Most of these senior Civil Servants are the same ones who held their posts under previous Labour and Conservative Govts and, if anything, it is the culture within the Higher echelons of the civil service we should be asking about..
     
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    Agreed.

    And its not the first time there has been a **** up along these lines.

    Wasnt that long ago the Gurka veterans were on the deportation list.
     
  19. Tek

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    Yes but simply typing in someones NI gives the powers that be access to someone's history of pension contributions, NI contributions, links to income tax, and their original status when given the number. From that the Home office can easily determine the length someone has been in the UK , marital status and a huge amount of personal data with which to determine their 'entitlement' to reside here. The fact so many are threatened with deportation suggests the Home Office is making it up as it goes along.
     
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    If they arrive on a spousal visa and meet the all the criteria they swap the interim one for a permanent visa. Only if circumstances have changed e.g. sustained period of living abroad , divorce etc would the HO have grounds to refuse. Anyone living here from Canada or US with full employment history, kids, good language skills and the UK 'sponsoring citizen' i.e. wife or husband has sufficient income should have arrived and applied for a spousal visa and if circumstances remain the same conversion to a permanent right to stay is a formality.
    There must be more to it than what you have stated.
     

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