What are the alternatives ?

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  1. Ext

    Extremely Northern Well-Known Member

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    Because there's no money left for Premier league loan signings to replace the manager's initial permanent signings - as used by Simon Davey and Mark Robins to get themselves out of the ****. Last year from December onwards was relegation form as I recall, and that was with such luminaries, so are they the real answer ?

    We need to drop the sense of entitlement that so many on here have and accept the reality unless or until a.n.other benefactor(s) come along and throw money at it.

    Not excusing some of Hill's and the teams antics of late, but they're (hopefully) learning.
     
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    Perhaps we should have signed those to start off with then instead of what we have, then we would have had the money and perhaps better palyers? You infer that the players he has signed are not good enough with that!

    I've accepted the reality of where we are in the footballing pyramid. I just wonder what has been done to attract further investment to the club. I'm guessing nowt. And don't expect positive reactions from supporters when they are paying what they are, more than last season, and all we are hearing now from the manager is about this reality.
     
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    Extremely Northern Well-Known Member

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    I've inferred nothing - I was asking the question as to alternatives because many are already talking of replacing the current squad. I was making the point that currently that appears an unrealistic option due to the profligacy of the past.

    I see you've offered up no such alternatives to the current situation, just 'guessing' that no steps have been taken to attract new investment.
     
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    Alternative is trying hard to get more investment into the club so we don't give up on our second tier status with a whimper. I know we cannot continue to rely on PC forever and a day for more reasons than one. We could have a share issue, there must be people out there who are maybe not mega rich but who could invest to get onto a propoer board like we used to have.
     
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    Play to our strengths

    If we had to accept that this is the squad, then I'm sure we'd get more out of them if we played them in correct positions, and in a system which we are capable of.
    Perkins is not a winger, nor a goal scoring midfielder.
    Haynes is not a winger, he needs someone to play off up front to get the best out of him.

    I'd be looking at the players that have already cut it in this division and build the team around their strengths, not some wistful hope that other players might come good. Key players then would be Haynes, foster, Hassell, Butterfield, Doyle. By all means bring the others in, but dont ask them to be something they are not.

    My team given the current squad would play 4:4:2
    Steele
    Wiseman foster Edwards Hassell
    RNL Butterfield Doyle Vaz tea
    Haynes Davies

    Subs lovre, o Brien, Addison, mcnulty, Gray when fit, or Rose

    Hassell at lb is not ideal, but Jay mc is just a liability currently. Unless mcnulty can play lb in which case wiseman drops to bench.
     
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    Hit the nail on the head, only so long you can rely on 10,000 gates & cup runs, l dont see the club actively seeking investment, they've criticised their own income streams & marketing plans or lack of but l don't see much change this season. Nothing much done to increase the crowds either, they should have a look at Huddersfield's crowds and the way they have gone about their season tickets over the last five years, they were averaging 9,000 along with us no so long back and now they average 13/14 thousand and they haven't had a promotion and FA Cu[p semi final thrown in, just a very good ST offer timed right and now they are reaping the benefits. The club needs a complete overhaul off the field.
     
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    Re: Play to our strengths

    Whilst I agree with your sentiments about playing players in their proper positions, your argument fails when you pick Hassell, RNL and Vaz Te out of their best position.
     
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    No, they should not conduct their meetings in the car park but when the manager is talking about "our finacial position in the footballing pyramid", I think it would possibly buy Hill a lot of time from the supporters if teh club were actually honest about the situation. Listening to him and taking at face value, it could seem we are on teh brink of admin or summat...
     
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    But this is the nub of the fair play standards.

    Clubs will have to spend only what they earn.

    An investor is effectively loaning the club money and that money is debt to the club (even if the owner/ investor agrees to write the debt off). A share issue is treated differently, but it's still money being brought into the club and not revenue. So I would imagine there are rules based on new share issues and the value of them (look at Man City having the naming rights paid for by Etihad being investigated) as well as complex commercial deals.

    That makes it very simple. The club needs to earn as much revenue from sponsorship, tickets, merchandise and televisions rights, cup runs and all year on year without spending it all to ensure it breaks even and makes a small profit.
     
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    nezbfc Well-Known Member

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    I haven't, Gordon Owen doesn't appear anywhere in my quote...

    ??
     
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    nezbfc Well-Known Member

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    Ooops,

    Or it didin't do...

    I didn't do it.... Honest...

    This board must be upset too...


    I see nowm, I must have not removed the original "Quote gordon owen" bit in errrmmm The other gordons post...

    MindF**K
     
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    Farnham_Red Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    I do wonder - we know that for the last few seasons Patrick Cryne has put money into the club
    This season his priorities are clearly with the impending court case - and if he is found guilty he definitely wont be putting any more cash in and will presumably be disqualified from any involvement in the club initially due to being at her Maj pleasure but then the fit and proper persons test

    I think this is all about ensuring that the club survives without Patrick - and if that means risking a relegation so be it - the alternative of admistration again is far less attractive. Id prefer it if we were putting up more of a fight though.

    I just hope that just as people got too carried away on the back of some impressive victories in the pre season we now seem to be right at the other end after two poor home performances - hopefully reality is somewhere in between and we will settle in to our customary struggle.
     
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    I'm not sure that's 100% correct.

    Keith Hill stated a few weeks ago that he would be making a couple more signings after the season got underway. Whether that will be enough, who knows...
     
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    fair enough, those signings could (will) be crucial....
     

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