"From here on in Palace goals count double" - Misconception??

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  1. Ex Bournemouth Red

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    I know Palace can now win on away goals scored but they don't count as double!

    For instance, if this game finishes 2 - 1 to Cardiff, Palace will go through on away goals scored, but the score won't be shown as 2 -2 (who is the 'double' goal credited to??)with Palace going through 3 - 2 on agg.

    Is this one of the biggest misconceptions in football?

    Was once watching a 2nd leg European game with the father in law and when the away team went 2 up he commented "the home team need to score 5 now to go through"! Obviously listening to dodgy commentators!
     
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    I thought that it was a misstatement too.
     
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    I once had to try to explain it to my dad watching a European tie. We were watching Man Utd and they'd lost 4-2 away I think, he thought that a 1-0 win would take them through because "away goals count double"!
     
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    It is a misconception.
    Say the first leg finishes Team A 0-0 Team B.
    The second leg (AET) finishes Team B 3-2 Team A.
    Then Team A goes through 3-2 on aggregate.
    Were away goals counted as double, the final aggregate score would have been Team B 3-4 Team A which would send Team A through which in nonsense.
    I think it's actually that away goals only count double should the aggregate score be tied.
     
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    The rule only comes into force when the scores are tied, but they still don't count "double". The score is shown as a tie with one team winning on away goals. An example;

    1st Leg - Team A 4 Team B 3
    2nd Leg - Team B 1 Team A 0

    Agg result is 4 -4 with Team B winning on away goals, not an agg result of Team A 4 - 7 Team B (due to 3 away goals scored in first leg counting double).
     
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    Yeah, they're just counted as double for purposes of working out who goes through should the score be tied and aren't actually added to the score.

    In fact, they could count for 3x, or similarly, 1.1x. The term 'double' is only used to describe that they are worth more than home goals.

    It's the same with regards to people saying that having a good goal difference effectively counts as an extra point. It only really counts as an extra point should the total points be tied (as with the aggregate score). Obviously it doesn't mean you would finish level with a team with one point more than you should you have a better goal difference than them. And such it is with away goals.
     
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    Don't want to be pedantic, but they aren't counted as 'double'. Just that the team scoring more away goals goes through. That's my point - saying 'double' is a misconception - like you say it could be x3, x1.1 etc, but you'd think commentators would not say 'double' as that could cause, and does cause, confusion to people who don't watch football on a regular basis.

    Tonight the commentator should have just said something along the lines of 'as Cardiff didn't score last week, a goal now for Palace would mean that Cardiff have to win by a clear goal on agg or Palace will go through on the away goals rule'.
     
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    who cares...we all know the rules...what a ridiculous thread.................now ended by thereev
     
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    That's exactly what I've been saying...

    And cheers 'Thereev'. I'm pretty certain that without your intervention this thread was in danger of becoming a 20 page epic.

    You're such a help.
     

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