Radio Sheffield understand........

See my answer to Dyson - I fully understand what players are 'entitled' to do - fine it's a short career etc etc but i think all things considered that Butterfield owed/owes BFC a bit better than that.

 

Good luck to him.

My guess is £750,000 minimum plus £25% of any future sale.

Take into account Norwich are a premiership team and they obviously rate him enough to buy him. It's not as if he is moving from Conference to Division 2. His knee injury won't come into it as if they didnt think he could play at the required standard they wouldn't be buying him in the first place.

 

I think the club wanted to engage in dialogue with potential suitors to see if it was possible to receive money up front and avoid a tribunal, for example tribunal = £1.5m, fee up front £750k, as that would give us opportunity to do some business in the transfer window and Hill the chance of building a decent squad. Now we are in a position where we dont know how much we are likely to get, the tribunal system looks a bit of a lottery, so by brokering this deal with Norwich, Butterfield and his agent have got what they wanted and the club is faced with a gamble on how much to spending replacing him.

But we arent the first this has happened to and we wont be the last, but lets see it for what it is. No loyalty, no sentiment, just basically protect number 1 and make as much money as you can whilst you can.

 

EN............fully agree..........think REDS have simply been a "safety net" in all this and we will only know if this has been financial success once the Tribunal give us a number (which the public will probably never know anyway).

For me, this is an aspect of football that I do not like........maybe I'm old-fashioned?

 

The 400k that we bid for Norwood and this money should buy us a decent centre half and another midfielder.

 

It's gone that way since Bosman and players have far more power when it comes to moving clubs.

 

Quite rightly.

 

He could've made a definite decision earlier, this offer will have been on the table a while. It would have put us as a club in a much better informed position - and maybe helped us negotiate a financially beneficial deal for us - as it is we're at the mercy of the tribunals' whim. He's put himself first at the expense of BFC - again it's a short career, he has to look after himself - but I'm not having that he'd have suffered financially by acting differently to such an extent it would have affected his life after football negatively.

 

Dont know if the £400k for Norwood was taking into account Butterfield leaving or whether that his potential fee would be additional money.

 

Fair enough, but maybe that decision wasn't available earlier? Considering Hughton's not been in charge there long, it's probably a relatively recent development. I just don't understand what benefit a club would get by buying him from us when they can take him to tribunal, knowing it's probably going to be less than market value.

Or, we could be willing to take our chances at tribunal if Norwich offered 500k. Never know.

 

BFC will always take money on the table as opposed to a speculative punt on more in the future.

Over to Keef. You still need an alternative to Norwood, an alternative to Butterfield and a centre half. At least.

 

He ain't been.in country enough to consider it ever weekend he's away and Hatton magaluf malia except even posted on fb lookin forward to nice weekend away when we where away at Coventry

 

Btw that's off to magaluf stupid predictive

 

Hmmm, but that is a bit of a Dickensian retelling of the situation. In fact I quite like that, 'Jacob Butterfield' even sounds like a Dickens character.


Young Jacob Butterfield is cast out in to the street by the nasty industrialist, Lord Ferguson, because his small tired hands are too small to compete with his new multi-thousand pound mechanised weaving machines purchased from abroad. Cast out in to the street and destitute, Jacob roams the streets of Manchester unable to find shelter or employment but determined not to be drawn in to the criminal ways of the violent and notorious Ethuhu gang.

But then one day Jacob - waif-like, dirty and emaciated - is spotted in the street by the kindly Old Man Rowing, who runs a utopian factory of skilled weavers. Old Man Rowing, determined not to succumb to the evils of industrialisation or 'progress', uses the philanthropy of Britain's greatest supplier of medical slugs, Lord Cryne, to employ artisan workers to produce rich tapestries at affordable quality (depending on which random pricing category he is applying that week).

So Old Man Rowing gathers up the melancholy bundle and carries him in his own arms to his Oakwell factory. Over the coming months he nurses him back to health, keeping him away from his sinister factory manager Davey, who is mistrusted by the people of Barnsley for his mysterious involvement in the disappearance of the jovial foreman Richie.

As the years go by Jacob begins to show the true genius of his weaving skills. The sinister Davey has been replaced due to allegations of involvement in the slave trade, with more and more mysterious foreign workers appearing from across the Empire. The new manager Robins, a dour utilitarian, starts to see young Jacob’s potential. But the months on the streets were not kind to Jacob and he is a sickly lad who easily tires, only able to weave for 6 hours a day. Preferring the industry of the functional Doyle, and simplicity of the small Argentinean peasant named Hugo, Jacob is used for small one-off commissions for the benefactor Lord Cryne.

But it the final act, there is a surprising turn of events. Following a row over wasted investment in over-priced, ageing looms, Robins storms out of the factory never to return. With Lord Cryne facing ill health that even his slugs can not cure and the financial future uncertain, Old Man Rowing appoints a jolly Lancastrian Siamese twin by the name of Hillcroft. Realising that young Jacob is a master-craftsman in waiting Hillcroft immediately makes him his chief weaver. Finally given his chance to shine Jacob creates the most amazing cloths that the factory has ever produced. Word spreads throughout the land and shadowy figures begin to appear outside the factory, whispering in Jacob’s ear, promising of untold riches, foreign markets, and the chance to become the world’s most famous weaver. What will he do? Does he repay Old Man Rowing for rescuing his childhood and giving him his life back? Or does he listen to the whispering shadows and take his chance to weave his way to the top? Will Old Man Rowing ‘cut his cloth’ accordingly? Or will Hillcroft be left with a threadbare team with poor quality cotton to fix his patchwork defence?

 

Too much time on your hands.

 

we should only sign players with at least 3 syllables in their surnames.

 

Bank balance yes, but future prospects remains to be seen based on just about every other player that's left us for so called better prospects over the years.

 

Not sure how a tribunal fee works but if it goes on precedents then hopefully we should be in for some dough.

Norwich paid £2m for Howson who had a similar reputation to our Butts... Captain, goalscoring midfielder, U21 call up etc. Marvin Sordell went for £4m, Rodriguez for £7, neither of whom achieved masses more than Butterfield, have gone to similar sized clubs and probably werent as sought after.

Hopefully somebody from BFC can argue this at the tribunal. Though maybe we should send one of Barnsley Markt's fine negociators rather than the Don...

 

Not bad, but you make The Don sound like a chief scout, he wouldn't be able to spot Iniesta playing for The Prince.

 

Very true. My main point (although put in a slightly over-the-top way!) is that we didn't sign Butterfield because we felt sorry for him after he was released by Man Utd, but because we thought he was a good player who would be an asset to the club. If he hadn't developed we would have released him like we do plenty of other youngsters.