well done John Major

Re: Ah, the Lottery money

Brilliant post - one more edit needed!

 

no, stating facts as you see them. obviously you have not suffered under the tories as most people in our town otherwise you'd be of the same opinion as the majority of barnsley people.but there's one or two more on here that don't give a t0ss how they treat our townspeople.

 

Re: Ah, the Lottery money

Don't think tyrone has worked out the predictive text yet. I am sure he will blame Labour.

 

No, no

You're absolutely correct. Not one school anywhere was forced to sell it's playing fields. Not a one. All schools were in perfect condition when the Tories were removed in 1997. No buildings required work doing on them, they still had all their playing fields, text books were in abundance.
Whilst we're rewriting history, the Americans won the war in Vietnam and Barnsley won the FA Cup in 2008.

 

Re: Ah, the Lottery money

I can't work out this predictable sex either.

 

Then there's Thatcher

she represents the hammer of the lower classes, what she forced many good people to endure in her premiership (and in many cases still are) in her quest to appease the money people is unforgiveable,unforgetable.
i hope she suffers for quite a while yet before she gets her comeupance.
what happened in barnsley/ liverpool and others was because of her policies, her pursuance to hammer the poorest to benefit the rich.
labour followed her policies granted but they did try to spread the wealth to the benefit of everyone, although it didn't work out that way the intention was there they just tried too hard to appease too many differing sections.
the global collapse was world wide and choose who had been in power at the time would have reaped the political whirlwind
but under thatcher the nhs was almost at breaking point and labour did a lot to try and rectify the situation from which they'd INHERITED and it was in a lot better shape than what they'd INHERITED.
so although labour is in some peoples minds the same as the others i'm convinced its not,they may pursue similar agendas for growth etc but its how they distribute that wealth,labour has good intentions they just need to follow them up better.
but we definitelt all know where the wealth goes when the tories get power and everyone fears for the nhs when there in.
as for thatcher ! i've moved on from the fear and turbulance she oversaw i've moved on from the poverty and destruction she rejoiced in. but i'll never move on from the memories of it all. not while the witch has an ounce of breath in her rotten body. then and maybe then i may be able to move on from that as well. although that could be more difficult when there's human evidence surrounding me from her legacy.

 

Re: No, no

Sorry for clouding the issue with fact only farenham appears y to have grasped the point

 

regeneration of areas like Manvers were mainly funded through EU relief funds - nowt to do with the conservatives who'd have us out of the EU if they could.

 

So which bit of his prediction about the tories shutting down all the mines did he get wrong? And before you go telling us they weren't economical have a look at which countries are the biggest producers of coal today, you'll find Germany and the USA right up there, try telling those two economic powerhouses that coal mining is uneconomical.

 

Re: No, no

well farnhams point still makes your point incorrect (as usual

 

The torries took us in

 

If all the funding had come

Directly from Major's Tory Government's own coffers, then I'd agree with you. It didn't. The monies came from the Lottery, generated by the man in the street. However, I'll credit Major for pushing through the legislation required. That meant his Government of the time could try to get us out of yet another recession they'd dragged us into, following on from the ones in the 1980's.

 

Re: At the Atlanta Olympics in 1996

Not be many from state schools whilst ever playing fields are sold off and competitive sport is discouraged. Hard to square with the trumpetting about 'legacy' imho.

 

Re: If all the funding had come

the tories only ever fund private initiatives,(money to money)anything else according to them is the something for nothing culture they keep spouting about its never something for nothing when their likes are in the trough

 

I was with you until you blamed the state of council estates on the Tories.

 

The one where he said they wanted to close 70 pits. He hadn't realised the tw4ts wanted to shut em all.

 

Labour shut more mines than the Conservatives did, the peak period for pit closures was in the late 60s.

And it was Labour who brought in Comprehensive schools and loused up the education system as well.

 

Re: At the Atlanta Olympics in 1996

John Major's government brought in the lottery but it wasn't until 1997 under a labour government that lottery funds were channelled in to sport.

 

**** about with statistics all you like.

Argue about what you perceive to be true (probably led by whichever paper you read or
Tv channel you watch)

But there are some facts, personal to me, which remain.

My parents never came close to losing their home under a labour government, they went close twice in the eighties and again in the early nineties though. Both were working.

I had never struggled to pay a bill or had I ever been unemployed - until last year (I'm in work again now, yes, but I'd never been unemployed or signed on before. Most demoralising experience I've had)

Before I lost my old job last year, I applied for a loan. I'd never missed a payment on anything, had successfully paid off previous loans, had a
Mortgage I'd never defaulted on ( and had paid extra off of the balance) and had credit cards which were mostly paid off . Experian had my credit rating at over 900, yet no bank would touch me. Why? 'we aren't really lending to anyone at the moment sir'. Why advertise your fecking apr rate then? (yes, I had a spell of unemployment after this which means they may have been justified - I was only signing on two weeks and three days so i'd have not even missed a payment. The point I'm making is about the banks being bankrupted and not lending).

So no, I'm not a Tory.

Now before you bleat on about what they've inherited, what did labour inherit in 1997?

How the country has got into this ***** is debatable, the last labour government are far
from blameless but I wonder how much better or worse we'd be if the Tories had been in - but it matters not. It's how we go forward that's important.

This Tory government (don't get me
started on nick c*nting Clegg and his posse of oxygen wasters - there's only the conservatives that have any power) has led the country into the worst recession I've seen, and has seemingly done it gladly. It writes policies that, as usual, ensure the worst affected are the lowest earning. Invisible tax relief to the rich, by widening offshore loopholes when they pretend to be closing them, whilst increasing vat, income tax, fuel duty, reducing tax credits.

All supposedly to fund reducing the deficit and reduce the welfare bill? Good job. Debt is up, growth is down, and the welfare bill, despite
cuts of disability benefits and pension credits, is actually, quite hilariously, up. Mainly because of the increased unemployment levels, to which no central assistance to create work has been suggested, offered, thought about even.

Labour introduced the new deal, getting youngsters and parents etc training and into work. They introduced the minimum wage - which is mocked, but I can assure you, those of you on £6.10 an hour in a shop/factory or wherever who think its peanuts would likely be on closer to £3 without it.

£3. Barely buys a sandwich. A sandwich which will cost 20% more if you want it toasted under new tax plans.

It'll soon be cheaper to buy a Cornish village than a Cornish pasty.

But no, it's nothing to do with the Tories. They inherited all the problems. They always do.