Had radio on all afternoon listening to the panels findings and then the Liverpool families group and it is an absolute disgrace that a systematic cover up was in place from the very top at the expense of 96 poor souls who's only crime was was to support their beloved club. The police, ambulance service, coroner etc etc etc were all in on it together in the cover up and the 3.15pm cut off time for giving first aid beggars belief. They have blood on their hands. SWFC also failed safety certificates and they have a lot to answer. Cameron made an aopolgy in the Commons today but I hope that those involved in the cover up face court charges. Heard a lady on the radio today who's child died, a police officer heard her child shouting Mummy at 4.00pm yet they refused to help the poor soul and sadly died........just heartbreaking........... 23 Years for the truth JUSTICE FOR THE 96 - THEY WILL NEVER WALK ALONE
You've got your 3:15 cut off mixed up mate 3:15 was the time the coroner used in the inquest. Nothing that happened after this time was admissible. This was wrong in itself, but it wasn't that people stopped trying to help after 3:15.
Yes sorry mate I put it across wrong !! The same coroner who gave everybody who died an alcohol test even the children, as they wanted to make them out as being drunk !!!
Re: Yes sorry mate I put it across wrong !! That would have been the police. Not the coroner in charge of the inquest.
Beggars belief that the police would do that whilst people are dying ????? Just heartbreaking for them poor souls, systematic cover up all across the board. Listening to the families solicitors today they will be taking people to court
I have every sympathy for the victims....but an unpleasant truth that no one seems to address, is the fact that the poor souls killed, were crushed by the weight of Liverpool fans forcing their way into an enclosure that was obviously full to bursting point....Whatever the shortcomings of anyone else involved those fans seem to be escaping without blame.
Not a very pleasant response,I assume you think I am criticising the families or their campaign for the truth...I am not.I am however criticising the fact that there seems to be no mention of any fans forcing their way in to the back of an already full enclosure. I assume from your comments you are an expert in crowd management and will bow to your superior knowledge,but I do have at least equal knowledge of human decency and thoughtfullness,and trying to steamroller into a wall of people for your own ends is not right.Its unpalateable for some people but that kind of behaviour was extremely common in football...leading to events like the Heysel Stadium disaster,and the erection of the very fences that prevented the victims at Hillsborough from escaping on to the pitch.
No, im criticising you for your suggestion that people pushing to get in were responsible. And now you say they "forced their way in", when they didn't. They were let in by the police through Gate C and not directed by police or stewards into side pens, but instead to the main already overcrowded main enclosure. When they were asked to be let out, police refused and brought in more officers and dogs to prevent 'crowd disorder'
The policing of football fans in them days was crowd control rather than crowd safety. We were all hooligans according to the govt of the day. The enemy within.
As always the state protects its own and despite the claim that "there was no government cover-up" it's spent 23 years obstructing those families in an attempt to find justice for their loved ones who went to a football match and didn't come home. Deny, deny, deny and then they cant help but fall over themselves to apologise and say how sorry they were. Fkuctards, one and all. People who jump to defend the pigs should remember how powerful the state machine is. Orgreave Hillsborough Jean Charles Ian Tomlinson and all the other other miscarriages we dont know about or go under reported. Kelvin McKenzie should swing from a tree.
That is quite simply not the case. You really need to read more about this as its very important for football in general that this truth today is accurately reported and understood. But the simple summary of this is that Liverpool fans getting into the ground after the gates opened could have had no idea what was going on inside. - they could NOT see due to layout of stand - when they got into the leppings lane end fans could not know what pens were full and therefore what harm their entry could contribute to. - nobody could turn back because of the actions of the police - Liverpool, as well supported as they were/are should never have been given the leppings lane end especially as they had played a semi, against forest again, the previous year and it nearly happened then! - and despite this was the safety certificate of a dodgy ground renewed by Sheffield council? Unbelievably no. Liverpool fans could never had should never have been blamed in any way. Genuinely hope this helps!
I think you'll find that 'the enemy within' was an insult reserved for the miners. Maybe while there is an appetite to 'fess up', we could also have a public enquiry into the actions of the establishment during 1984/85.
It wasn't just the police though was it? It was the clubs and authorities too, being greedy and cramming them in, something like this was always going to happen it was the Liverpool fans who happened to draw the short straw. I went to a few big cup/european games at various grounds with different mates around that time and one in particular I only got to where I could see the actual pitch by the weight of bodies behind me pushing me in,my arms were trapped against my chest and half the time either my feet weren't on the floor (it wasn't any better inside either) and that wasn't with extra fans being let in, that was through the turnstiles and they new exactly how many they were letting in! That was particularly bad but it wasn't unusual to be nearly that bad in those days. Oakwell was a breeze in comparison although the Man City game was a bit tight