Mark Robins' first day in the job...

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  1. Gor

    Gordon Ottershaw Well-Known Member

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    And 2 loan players brought in. Just 9 more to go then!
     
    Gordon Ottershaw, Sep 21, 2012
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    Good luck to him, did a good job at Barnsley. He's got no cash to work with and the transfer window is shut, so what else other than loans is he going to bring in?
     
    Mike Lowry, Sep 21, 2012
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    Exactly.
     
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    Mark Robins did use the loan market

    But last season Keith Hill had more players in on loan at one time than we were allowed to name in the squad. Every week we were paying the wages of one player that we couldn't possibly play. Maybe Mark Robins did use the loan market too often, but he didn't take it to the extremes of our current manager.
     
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    Re: Mark Robins did use the loan market

    But what about the wages that had to be paid for the O'connors etc.
     
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    Re: Mark Robins did use the loan market

    What has the OP got to do with Keith Hill?

    Obsessed.
     
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    eh?

    The OP is about loan players. As is my post.
     
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    Re: eh?

    The OP was about Mark Robins.
     
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    Re: eh?

    The OP wa about Mark Robins using the loan market.

    Jay's post was about Keith Hill using the loan market.

    Mark Robins and Keith Hill have both managed Barnsley FC.

    I think I can see how Jay got there, if I'm honest.
     
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    Re: eh?

    I can too. Tenuously. Yet, every BFC manager in recent history has also used the loan market. So why isolate Keith Hill?
     
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    Re: eh?

    He isn't isolating Keith Hill. Robins gets loads of abuse from posters here for using loan players, yet Hill did the same, and more last season
     
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    And loan players

    Or are you going to refute that?

    In case you didn't understand the post it was referring back to how many loan players Robins brought in when he was our manager. But I believe his reputation for doing this is unwarranted as our current manager also made extensive use of the loan market yet he is never tarnished with the same brush. Something I think is unfair on Mark Robins, particularly when he never had as many loan players in at one time as Keith Hill. If you criticise one manager for a particular policy then I believe you should criticise all that follow such a policy. Many on here don't and I think that is hypocritical. Some won't even entertain such a thought and accuse others of being obsessed if they even refer to it.
     
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    Re: And loan players

    I fully understood the original post and I fully agree that Robins was harshly criticised for his use of the loan market.

    I still struggle to understand validity of why you isolated our current manager in your response. Surely it would have been sufficient to prove your defense of Robins without having to involve Hill in the debate, bearing in mind the OP never used Hill as a barometer of Robins' strategy.
     
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    Re: And loan players

    Bearing in mind that the original post was a dig at Robins and his loan signings I am struggling to see why you cant understand Jay`s post!
     
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    Re: And loan players

    I defended Robins in my response to the original post. Fact is, that I was a fan of Robins and I'm also a fan of Hill - so I take a little umbrage in Jay's defence of Robins at the expense of Hill, when the OP never expressed Hill in the first place. I get what you're saying and I get what Jay is saying too - just from a different perspective.
     
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    Re: And loan players

    So why the need to jump to the defence of Hill ? Jay stated facts, not made up ***** like has been aimed at Robins since he left, yet you made an argument out of it!! Strange , in my opinion anyway.
     
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    Re: And loan players

    I mentioned keith Hill because he is generally well thought of on here. If a popular manager uses a similar transfer policy to an ex-manager who is being criticised then it's useful to bring him up to help argue the point that Mark Robins wasn't so bad after all. Maybe his use of loan players isn't the evil in which it is often portrayed.

    I like Mark Robins. I thought he did OK for us. I don't like to see him criticised. That doesn't mean I don't like Keith Hill. I think Keith has the potential to become a better manager than Mark was. But the two used very similar policies with regards to loan players. I don't think it's right that one is criticised for it while the other is lauded.
     
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    Re: And loan players

    Agreed in the main... although I wouldn't agree that Keith Hill is lauded on this board - by some, yes - by others, no. I would think it is a fairly 50:50 split at the moment, but with many attacking his use of the transfer market. I.e. loan signings and ex Rochdale players.
     
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    I think he's very popular

    I can't remember a more popular manager since Danny Wilson. And when you consider the results haven't been exceptional since his arrival then it just exemplifies how popular he is. If we start doing really well and challenging for promotion he'll be made a saint.
     
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    Re: And loan players

    As I stated above, because Jay used Hill to illustrate his point rather than any other manager, justifying with the fact that Hill followed Robins, whilst forsaking all that went before Robins. Selective evidence.

    I'm not arguing with Jay. I thought we were having a reasoned debate, which is what I understood to be lifeblood of this internet message board? I find your interpretation of an argument between Jay and I strange, considering this is in fact a forum for football debate.
     
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