South Yorkshire Police...

Now it comes out that they also colluded about statements regarding arrests at Orgreave.

 

Well I've not heard anything as surprising as that since I was told that Terry Wogan was Irish.

 

A shocking revelation! I don't think any of us saw that one coming!

 

They were under pressure, hard job, stress, you don't understand etc.

 

Inside Out - 7.30pm BBC1

Has the story

 

I had the same reaction to be honest. Next they will be saying that there were secret services on the picket lines....

 

Cheap shot. Its unacceptable what they did in relation to colluding over high profile incidents and changing statements but its completely unrelated to anything you've got in mind. Put aside your prejudices and stop letting them cloud your judgement.

 

Yes Watcher of the skies.
do you know how bril they are? LOLLOLLOLLOL

 

What like the black panther movement?

 

How good would a truth commission be about the states actions in the miner's strike? Before Thatcher dies too

 

Are they going to interview the coppers who were on duty with no collar numbers ? Or take it back up the chain of command to where the orders and pressure to crush any protest by any means available came from ?

Like the Hillsborough scenario, the investigation should not stop at those who were merely implementing policy decided in Whitehall.

 

Are they ****.

 

Pointless then.

A few token examples to be made, Scargill will probably have a little rant and then we move on.

Nothing done to show that it couldn't happen again other than a few platitudes. If needed, the state system would move against such opposition in similar ways, although in this day and age it'd be far more subtle. Tony Blair showed the way with the Iraq war on how to convince the public something that wasn't there is a threat to them.

On the picket line it was every man for himself, I think individuals on both sides understood that - but those pulling the strings are more guilty.

 

Not a cheap shot at all, this is the argument frequently rolled out by supporters of the police. And what i have in mind i have no idea, perhaps youd like to tell me what to think next?

 

I think it would be a good idea.....

.... to listen to the program and then let's make up our minds.

TBH there were so many stories going around at the time, even the one about the army being dressed in police uniforms.

The law was broken during the miner's strike. For example, there was absolutely no justification for turning vehicles round and ordering them away from the Nottingham area.



But I would prefer to hear the facts before making up my mind.

 

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most of us who were on strike know there has been a cover up from orgreave,i've a mate who along with half a dozen other lads had their damages settled out of court by the police and I can assure you the cops never settle out of court unless theres something to hide.
if you watch the footage from orgreave the bloke in the red jumper and blue shorts being battered and dragged away by the pigs is my mate,he was locked up and hospitalised by the cops just for being there.....incidently he still supports the reds and sits in the ponty.
the media,and the bbc in particular had a habit through-out the strike of showing the days picketing in a completely different light to what had happened,ie,the pickets starting the bother and the cops having to defend themselves when in the majority of cases it was the cops who started it off after recieving the order to charge.
I was on radio 2 a few years back on the jeremy vine show and the cop that was on with me couldnt answer my questions about their style of policing where they set about miners for no other reason than the fact that they were miners.
it looks like south yorkshire police are going to 'cop' for it this time,,,but throughout the strike it was those *******s from london,the met,that were rotten to the core.....most local bobbys knew that they had to live in the mining villages once the strike was over,,but the met didnt give a f*ck.
there are loads of us that dont need a programme to make our minds up about what happened in the strike,we were there,so we know what a set of lying b@stards the police were....but they could do what they wanted then,they had the backing of the government and that lousy bitch thatcher...
One occasion that always sticks in my mind is when the met beat up an old bloke in brampton....he had orange overalls on so the cops assumed he was a miner,,well he wasnt and never had been,he was a retired council worker doing his gardening..Brampton was under house arrest during the strike and I hope these allegations from orgreave arnt the end of it,if more cops come forward then the country could finally get to know the truth about what went off during the strike....

 

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I went to the monsters of rock festival at donnington during the strike and the cops refused to let us up the slipway off the M1 at donnington because we were from yorkshire,they still had the roadblocks on at weekends during the strike.

 

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Top comments Dek. My Dad wasnt at Orgreave but has the greatest respect for those who went down to protest at the time to make the point about what Thatcher was up to. This was all about five years before Hillsborough. Exactly the same culture existed about Senior Officers creating a cover up by "persuading" lower ranks to change their statements or put in standard "approved" phrases to pervert the course of justice. Outrageous and illegal. The lads they tried to stitch up on riot and affray charges were able to prove in Court that the police evidence was unsound and were discharged. My Dad says there were other individuals who were arrested by (usually) Met Police drafted in and they were stitched up by statements remarkably similar to the phrases used elsewhere. I know the majority of coppers then and now do a fantastic job but in those days Senior Officers(as with Hillsborough) were keen to protect their own backs and directed junior ranks to submit "suitable" statements in a massive cover up. The truth is finally coming out about the role of South Yorkshire Police at Hillsborough. I will watch tonights programme with interest.

 

He's more bothered about keeping his rent-free flat in London, typical hypocritical Marxist that he is.

 

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as far as I know more than 90 miners had their convictions for rioting overturned by the courts in the years after the 'battle of orgreave'.........Thatcher is as much to blame as the cops,I wish the BBC had the balls to take her on.