IT help please

Discussion in 'Bulletin Board ARCHIVE' started by LiverpoolRed, Oct 28, 2012.

  1. Tek

    Tekkytyke Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2005
    Messages:
    7,376
    Likes Received:
    4,644
    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Italy
    Style:
    Barnsley Dark
    Re: Wrong

    My samsung laptop ?windows 7 has 200GB recovery partition , a 100MB NTFS system partition and C 231 GB NTFS boot crash dump primary partition. D drive is a 345GB NTFS logical drive. The reason I suggest using Partition Magic or something like that is it is easier to use and understand. If you are unsure what to do thw Windows disk management on Windows 7 is confusing. e.g. messing with primary partition allocation etc. can mean your PC wont boot properly. Parttion magic is far easier to understand (well I think so anyway)
     
  2. Tek

    Tekkytyke Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2005
    Messages:
    7,376
    Likes Received:
    4,644
    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Italy
    Style:
    Barnsley Dark
    "Alternatively back everything up. Format the drive and reinstall it all onto one big partition."

    HMMMM!! Whilst the size limits of virtual disks partitions is historical as there were physical limits as to how big a formatted disk could be, and whilst NTFS does reduce fragmentation compared to FAT32 putting everything onto a single partition is inadvisable as it slows down read write activity and also have you tried defragging a large Disk. It takes forever!!! (notwithsatnding you dont have to do it that often. However the same can be said of virus scan activity. DO you really want to scan every single file on your PC every timeat startup or conecntrate on partitions/ virtual drives that you access and leave the backup/ recovery parttions alone. For those reasons I think parttioning disks is better for PCs. Servers are a different thing entirely particularly when RAID arrays are involved
     
  3. Gally

    Gally Administrator Staff Member Admin

    Joined:
    Nov 5, 2009
    Messages:
    17,142
    Likes Received:
    12,810
    Location:
    York
    Style:
    Barnsley
    That's not a true statement.

    If you have a partition that sits on the outeredge of your disk you will see it perform better than on a partition on the inner edges of your disk. A large partition isn't going to slow anything down though. (were talking about adding 370gb here?)
    I suspect LiverpoolRed doesn't need to worry about the tiny performance gain splitting his drive up in this manner would give him. I would also think if anyone needs to worry about performance like this they would be using Sold State Drive by now.

    As his PC is already configured with seperate partitions and he isn't able to manage it, it would seem that a single partition is more sensible for his requirements.
     
  4. Marc

    Marc Administrator Staff Member Admin

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2012
    Messages:
    28,608
    Likes Received:
    23,890
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Any help LiverpoolRed?

    ...buy a Mac
     
  5. LiverpoolRed

    LiverpoolRed Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2005
    Messages:
    14,872
    Likes Received:
    7,111
    Location:
    Liverpool, Liverpool, United Kingdom, 105653082800
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Thanks everyone - much appreciated. Would love a mac but a bit out of my price range at the moment
     
  6. Tek

    Tekkytyke Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2005
    Messages:
    7,376
    Likes Received:
    4,644
    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Italy
    Style:
    Barnsley Dark
    Disagree. Wiki (agree it is a bit dubious source states)> " (PARTITIONING) ..Raising overall computer performance on systems where smaller file systems are more efficient. For instance, large hard drives with only one NTFS file system typically have a very large sequentially accessed Master File Table (MFT) and it generally takes more time to read this MFT than the smaller MFTs of smaller partitions.
    "Short Stroking", which aims to minimize performance-eating head repositioning delays by reducing the number of tracks used per hard drive.[1] The basic idea is that you make one partition approx. 20-25% of the total size of the drive. This partition is expected to: occupy the outer tracks of the hard drive, and offer more than double the throughput — less than half the access time. If you limit capacity with short stroking, the minimum throughput stays much closer to the maximum. This technique, however, is not related to creating multiple partitions, but generally just creating a partition less than the disk size. For example, a 1 TB disk may have an access time of 12 ms at 200 IOPS (at a limited queue depth) with an average throughput of 100 MB/s. When it is partitioned to 100 GB (and the rest left unallocated) access time may be decreased to 6 ms at 300 IOPS (with a bigger queue depth) with an average throughput of 200 MB/s.



    Partitioning for significantly less than the full size available when disk space is not needed can reduce the time for diagnostic tools such as checkdisk to run or for full image backups to run."
    Regularly accessed files spread across multipe partitions may be an issue but I was alwayss taught that overall smaller partitions are far more efficient. It also states its better to place swap file space on single partition (although I thought swap file process pnly benefits exist where swapfile is on separate Physical disk.) This is less relevant nowadays with the cheap RAM that is available.
     
  7. Marc

    Marc Administrator Staff Member Admin

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2012
    Messages:
    28,608
    Likes Received:
    23,890
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    really don't want to hear about your 'short stroking'
     
  8. Tek

    Tekkytyke Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2005
    Messages:
    7,376
    Likes Received:
    4,644
    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Italy
    Style:
    Barnsley Dark
  9. jedstar

    jedstar Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2012
    Messages:
    6,698
    Likes Received:
    137
    Location:
    Ardsley
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Nowt to do with Windows, this is how the laptop would have been set up - the idea is Windows and your programmes go on the C drive, you put all your video, music, documents or whatever on the D drive. Then if you need to wipe the hard drive and start a fresh with a new operating system etc, all your files are still there.
     
  10. madmark62

    madmark62 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2006
    Messages:
    20,282
    Likes Received:
    190
    Location:
    Floating along lifes waterways
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    That is just not true, my ex-wife cost a feckin fortune !!
     
  11. jedstar

    jedstar Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2012
    Messages:
    6,698
    Likes Received:
    137
    Location:
    Ardsley
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Wouldn't bother mate, I made a half-hearted attempt at switching around the time Windows Vista came out...everything's a bit shinier but as a tool for doing something productive I found Mac OS to be pretty useless. I have an Air which lives under the sofa which I forget about for weeks, other than that I pull it out for a quick browse on the net which it does rather well.

    What got me are all those little freeware tools that come in handy now and again with Windows that either aren't available on Mac or you have to pay for. I'll also admit I use some cracked software and while you can get this for Mac, I've had a hard time getting it to work.
     

Share This Page