I wonder if there is more to this story

I dunno but I disagree entirely with Supertyke on this.

 

Aint it if anybody is in front of the line on the platform the train should go nowhere? That report says she was leaning on train.

 

Very sad

for both parties, the guard shouldn't have signalled the driver to leave till the girl had moved away from the train but she must take the lion's share of the responsibility for being in such a state.

The drinking culture in the UK has got radically worse since our days, I sometimes visit a mate in Bristol (also a Liverpudlian) and we usually go for a beer or two in the city and the number of p***heads you see and the things they get up to are quite shocking. I never saw things like that (particularly the ladettes) when I went out on the p*** in Newcastle in the 70s or Cambridge in the 80s. The costs to the country must be massive in terms of policing and health service - just to allow these idiots to get totally out of their heads.

 

He was the guard directly responsible for the train leaving the platform safely.

I think he failed completely in his duty; there's no layers of management or lack of training for him to hide behind in my opinion.

I don't know how the 5 year prison tariff has been arrived at, perhaps there's little contrition from him or his defence?

 

Strong words from the Judge and a unanimous guilty verdict after a 2 week trial suggests there is a bit more to the incident

 

http://news.sky.com/story/1011819/railway-guard-jailed-over-teens-death

Looking at the picture it looks like he's made a bad call. Maybe he thought she'd move away once the train had started.

 

Didn't her parents know their daughter was drinking underaged? How come so many drinking places obviously served an underaged girl to the point of her being really drunk? Why is she on her own in the picture so her own mates left a 16 year old girl pissed in the dark on her own where anything can happen to her? Those who work on trains have an hard enough job as it is without drunks making it harder.

 

[video=youtube;tuef7hFXGbc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuef7hFXGbc[/video]

Not sure why he's ended up going to jail, amazing that he's having to take responsibility for her irresponsibility - its a tragic incident, but the circumstances cant all be attributed to a train guard.

 

The parent's are angry that the drink thing has been focused - they say it's what most teenagers do - really? She also had traces of drugs as well. She had got on the train t, got off then tried to get on again - this has probably been done before - guard annoyed etc - this was a bad call of judgement

 

It's pretty clear-cut to me. If the train doesn't move whilst she's leaning on it she doesn't fall under it and die. The train guard is looking in her direction as he makes the decision to allow the train to set off. He has a duty of care to people on the train and the platform and he made a tragic error of judgement that directly led to somebody dying. He didn't mean for her to be killed or injured in any way, but his actions alone resulted in her death. If she was sober would she have been leaning on the train? Possibly not. If she was sober would she have fallen onto the line? Possibly not. If the train had not set off when it did, would she have fallen onto the tracks and died? Definately not.

 

Yes, wait until Supertyke posts his opinion and assume that mine will run contrary to everything he says.

 

Who said she couldn't have fallen under the train and died if it was stood still? Remember the YouTube video of the girl in Barnsley - she fell under a stationary train. Liverpool underground is electrified . It probably wouldn't have but it can happen

 

Talk about duty of care... Shouldn't the parents be prosecuted too? She was 16.

 

Is that what you really think?

Genuinely?

 

If only all 16 yr olds did what their parents told them to. At the end of the day she died because someone didn't do their job properly and for a train guard he got the most important bit of his job disasterously wrong

 

The BBS - sitting on a high horse since '96.