Bobby Hassell Vs Scott Wiseman - Their records, under Hillcroft

This isn't in any way a thread designed to attack either player, nor build them up into some sort of God. Most of us have already made our minds up on each player and their worth to this club. No, this is purely a simple, statistical view of both players, and their performances under Keith Hill/David Flitcroft.

LET BATTLE COMMENCE!!!!


Let's start with last season..




Scott started 34 of our 46 league games in 2011/12.

We won 7 of those fixtures.

We drew 5 of them.

And we lost 22.





Bobby started 17 of our 46 league games in 2011/12.

We won 8 of those games.

We drew 5.

And lost 4 of them.



Let's move onto this season..





Scott has started 20 games so far in 2012/13.

We have won 4 of those games.

We've drawn 5.

And lost 11.






Bobby has started 4 games so far in 2012/13.

We've won 2 of them.

Haven't drawn any.

And lost 2 of them.



So, in total, under the management of Hillcroft......




Scott has started 54 of a possible 71 league fixtures.

We have won 11 of them.

Drawing 10.

And we've lost 33.

I'm no good at percentages, so feel free to edit this if you indeed are. But it doesn't take a mathematician to see that we win 1 in 5 games that Scott starts in.

*I will add, that Scott did come on early against Millwall the other week, and we won the game. But I've concentrated on starts, as substitute appearances skew the overall picture, IMO.





Bobby has started 21 of a possible 71 fixtures under Hillcroft.

We've won 10 of them.

Drawn 5.

And lost 6.

Again, no good at percentages but I'm clever enough to see that we have won nearly 1 in 2 games that he starts in.

*I'll also add, that against Portsmouth away last season, it was 0-0 at half time when Bobby was replaced by Scott. We went on to lose that game 2-0. But I'm judging this on starts and so it's Bobby's defeat.



Thanks for your time, and make of this what you will.

 

Too much time on thi hands YT.

 

what a perfect example of the misuse of statistics to bolster a prejudice! there are 10 other players on the pitch and the interdependence of all 11 variables makes your "analysis" complete balderdash-I would be happy to give you some links to elementary statistics books if you would like -Happy New Year

 

Aye, but only til Wednesday, when work rears it's ugly head. Oh to be a **** footballer earning lots of money, eh?

 

He played at peterbough last season and he played rubbish so lets not go ott on these statistics.

 

Couldn't have a stats thread without a post from you Paul!

 

But Wiseman plays week in week out and he's always w*nk

 

So the one match he was rubbish invalidates every other match does it?
Sometimes you really are a tool, are you related to Tyrone by any chance!!

 

I'm no statto, like yourself, so I run with the basics. However, when compiling my admittedly simple stats, I did notice that we hadn't won a game last season until Bobby started. We then went unbeaten for 7 games. Then, he wasn't involved for 5 games, of which we lost 3 of them. He returned against Doncaster, we won 4 on the spin. We then lost with him against Ipswich, but won 3 of his next 4 appearances. Then came his injury, followed by his non-selection right until the end of the season.

Is everything I've just said merely the effects of coincidence? Or does he help us to win more games than we lose, when selected? I'm going with the latter, but then, I'm "prejudiced" aren't I?

If you are so able, can you tell me how many goals this season could be attributed to poor defending on the behalf of Messrs Wiseman and McNulty? Cheers, and Happy New Year.

 

He played at Leicester and was solid. So I've just negated your arguement.

 

Thanks YT, just goes to prove that Sir Bobby is a legend.

 

A more appropriate piece analysis would be one that identified the root
ause of goals conceeded.

 

That is easy. 75% Wiseman, 20% McNulty , 3% Steele, 2% Foster

 

Before the game on Saturday, I created a thread on here asking what team people would pick against Rovers.

I selected Hassell at centre half, and Wiseman on the wing.

I have nothing against Scott, I just don't think he's a defender and I've said this repetitively on this forum for over 12 months. The stats back my opinion up.

 

But surely that is true of most statistics isn't it, including the manager win percentage ones? You can't really say that one manager is better than another based on a win percentage, when the games were played under completely different circumstances, with different players, against different opponents and often in different leagues. Doesn't stop people making presumptions based on them though.

I think statistics alone would lead you to believe that Peter Crouch is the best England striker of recent years, when looking beneath the surface you see his goals have mainly come against third rate teams, whereas he hasn't started in the bigger games.

Sometimes you just have to trust your eyes. Wiseman has been poor this year, Hassell has had some poor games for us in the past, but often does very well. So Hill persevering with Wiseman despite his poor form has to raise eyebrows. I reckon Hassell is the club's second best right back, but Wiseman is the third. However, Stones is still learning and can make some glaring errors of judgement that Hassell wouldn't usually make. Either way, I wouldn't currently be playing Wiseman in the starting line up. I wouldn't be booing him either though, because I don't think you need statistics to show that footballers on a run of bad form rarely improve when jeered by their own supporters.

If everybody were to trust their eyes they may have seen O'Brien's ineffective challenge and Steele getting beaten at the near post for the second goal, so booing Wiseman after conceding it was not only a negative thing to do, but it was also a tad unfair, as he was only one of three players who were culpable for the goal.

 

I said,analysis not a flippant remark. Need to see the rational of how those statistics
Were derived

 

Haha, interesting post.. Although it doesn't take any stats to realise who the better defender is

 

It presents a good case however lack the substance and finer detail to make it meaningful