Hsr2

Twaddle! People in London would be as reluctant to move up here as you would be to move down there. If anything, it would empower the next generation of locals to comfortably commute out to Derby, Birmingham and the like and take their jobs! Look at both sides and stop trying to turn everything into a civil war!

It is a proposed advancement in the transport infrastructure of the country, of which there have been many since we first put one log in front of another to shift a big stone. The argument is that the damage to environment on our particular stretch outweighs any benefits that it will bring. It's actual presence will lower the value of your house not drive it up!

 

I'll be 70. It'll be really useful when I'm having to commute weekly to London because I can't afford to retire!

 

I love travelling by train. There's nothing more exciting than getting the train straight after work from York to London for the weekend, have some beers and listen to my music, no stress of drinving or traffic, then straight off the train and out fro the night

Or going over to Manchester and not having to drive over any horrible busy roads.

Or up to Edinburgh, following the coast all the way.

Investment in infrastrucutre that gets people out of cars and widens people's capacity to be able to travel and see different parts of the country is fien by me. BUT I would say that my main issue with train travel isn't how long it takes. It's the cost and the **** poor quality of rolling stock on branch services.
If I go home for the weekend its like going from the first to the third world when I get to Doncaster and have to get on a train to Swinton.

I don't know enough about HS2 to comment as to whether it is the best option but I think there's some validity in it being a potential white elephant. But I can't understand the negativity towards the principle of improving the rail system.

 

Disagree. Plenty of folk who work in London live as far North as Newark/Grantham/Peterborough where the exisiting train journey to London is a little over the proposed HS2 journey time from Leeds. Therefore people would move even further North.

 

There's no objection to improving rail services mate.

But improve them now. Not in 30 years.

 

Agree. Improve the conenctions between the northern Cities as this would improve the economy much more quickly than HS2. Unless they just want our land for new suburbs..

 

Reopening the line from Barnsley to Doncaster/Rotherham would be a start.

I like getting the train, it's just too expensive to do it. I drive to Doncaster and go to London with work, I drive everywhere else.

 

Cost is a killer. Went to Scarborough for work yesterday from York. £17 off peak day return. And as a previous thread showed some time ago you need a PHd to actually book train tickets and receive value for money.

Public transport should be subsidised instead of raking millions from competitive tendering which purely pushes up ticket prices for us

 

You loony leftie

Agree like.

 

I agree with that. York to London takes no time at all but it takes nearly as long to get to Manchester. I suppose HS2 will massievely reduce journey times from Yorkshire to Birimingham and the south west.

 

Even my right wing mates think we should renationalise the railways. Maybe that's indicative of who train travel has become the preserve off because of high prices. I'm not sure they'd agree about buses

 

Pisa to Florence train - 8 euros return for two people... train was busy

 

That's part of the problem I suppose, high train prices are used as a demand management tool in this country to stop people using them so that they don't have to address capacity problems

 

They don'y pollute as much as all the shipping that traverses the Earth, The four largest ships in the world throw out more Carbon Dioxide than the whole UK.

 

I've heard of that place, it's the same place that the airport at Donny takes me to sometimes.

So we're spending £30b building a transport solution that will get us to europe slower than the current transport system to europe takes. Genius