I feel I'm labouring the point but marriage is a legal contract. The state decides who is allowed to enter in to that contract. State bodies are then required to perform that legal function. If the CofE don't want to perform that function then they shouldn't be the state religion. If the CodE feel that their beliefs stop them from enacting a function required if them by a democratically elected government then they aren't performing their duty to the state. Which of course they won't do because it is from being the state religion that they derive their wealth and influence.
I'm a practising Christian and have no issue with gay marriage as long as churches or other religious organizations aren't forced to carry them out against their will. I can see that being the next step because if I've learnt something about a lot of so called liberals it's that the rights of others only extend as far as they agree with their agenda. When they differ they suddenly become very dictatorial. A lot of those supporting this don't really care they're just using at as a convenient stick to beat religion with. So they can't point and shout bigots! Without any sense of irony at their own bigoted anti-religious agenda. Live and let live I say, as do most people I know who go to church, but don't let inconvenient facts get in the way of giving Christians a good kicking (don't mention what Hindus Muslims or Jews thinks).
You've a bit of a problem there Firstly, the state isn't going to force any church to conduct gay marriages. Secondly, the Quakers have already consulted god and are wanting to carry out gay marriages. So the state shouldn't have a law that prevents them from doing so.
'I think most opposition to gay marriage has something to do with either religion or tradition or some b@llocks.' I'd guess those that oppose gay marriage, for whatever genuine reason they may have, wouldn't think that their opinion is ********, and their opinion is of course every bit as valid as yours. The central question therefore in all debates such as these is what the majority view may be on the subject, as that should be the main driver behind the main political parties' consideration/prioritising of such matters. I suspect I've a reasonable idea what a significant majority of the great British public will really think about this idea, which is why there's been no real consultation by any party on what is such an important and divisive issue. Don't forget that many decent ordinary folk will also be reticent to voice their views on this too firmly, for fear of a vocal minority demonising them once again for their 'traditional' views. Traditional views are what strong cultures are built on.
There's loads of places in UK that would be suitable (and Google these......they do exist). Brown Willy (Cornwall), ****** (Northumberland), Happy Bottom (Dorset), Menlove Avenue (Liverpool), Slackbottom (Yorkshire), ***** Lane (Worcestershire). Fanny Barks (Durham)......to name but a few. It's a good debate........but let's smile whilst we're at it !!!
'There is no irony, religion is a choice. Sexuality is not.' Hmmm, I'm not so sure, I believe the scientific jury is still firmly out on that one. All we can say for now is that religion and sexuality are both lifestyle choices.
Can someone who takes the view that "As long as they leave me alone it's fine" tell me whether they genuinely fear that gay men have nothing better to do than go round after straight men either attempting to "turn them" or sexually violate in some way?
Err....they aren't being. No religion will be forced to perform same-sex marriage if they don't wish. I don't care either way, it doesn't affect me in any way. However, I'm pleased for people who wished to be married and now can. Slavery was built upon religious doctrine - is that ok then? There's paedophilia in the bible - is that ok then? Many things that religions deemed as acceptable have been superceeded.
i dont think i said anything about fear or getting turned or anything to do with sexual violation but dont let that stop you from saying things that have nothing whatsoever to do with the debate and as far as i can tell nobody else has mentioned