Immigration

aah, right, to be honest it does tie in cause they ain't gonna say sorry & in my opinion they shouldn't... not about immigration anyway

they should say sorry about invading iraq, letting the banks & the murdoch press get away with murder & for doing nothing about poverty

 

Imigration isn't about immigration per se, it's about capitalism and its constant need for 'a cheaper flow of labour'.

That's what no major party will admit to, instead they all play the "immigration must come down" speil, whilst knowing fully that they wont change much, if at all.

 

Thatcher's back then?

 

How much was that policy about increasing Labour's voter base and the client state though?

Shouldn't they apologise for putting their party before the country, some would call that treason.

 

tax cut for the minority !!! and yet the working class will still vote em in ............why ?

 

The Tories are doing a great job on curbing immigration. It might have escaped the notice of some of the more immigration obsessed types that come on here that one country is already coping with an influx of Romanians. The Germans have a lot of Romanians going there to find work. The reason they're going there is because by comparison with the UK their economy is in better shape. The migrants will go where they perceive they have the best opportunities. However given the nature of the jobs a lot of them did here some of our unemployed are going to have to do some very menial and very dirty jobs. So when it's your son or daughter being told that despite their Degree the only job on offer is fruit picking in Lincolnshire and they need to get on their bikes to get there you'll perhaps understand why immigrants haven't really had it that easy.

 

Only by default. They are doing nothing proactive to achieve this.

Immigration rates may have reduced - but if so they have purely because we aren't as much as a proposition any more.

The reason for that is that the country is on its arse. The economy is being wildly mismanaged. The Tories love to blame the previous administration for it - bit they've been in long enough to have made a difference, and yet the third dip is imminent.

They have increased taxation and cut benefits in the name of decreasing the deficit, yet borrowing has actually increased, the economy is getting weaker and weaker, and the deficit has only been reduced by a quarter in the first two years - a figure that George Osborne attacked and stated was far too slow when suggested by the Labour Party when still in power. Net debt has increased hugely recently too.

Red Ed might not be box office but he's a clever cookie. There's no point being popular years before an election. He's said very little on the immigration issue, effectively sitting tight, waiting for the chaos on the benches opposite to make them implode.

The lib dems will lose a massive amount of vote in the next election. I can't imagine the Tories would gain many of them. So they'll either abstain, vote minor party or vote labour. Either way labour should benefit.

The Tories will also lose voters you'd imagine, mostly to abstention or ukip, English democrats and the like probably, but still.

I reckon with six months of profile building leading up to the election, which is presumably two years away, Ed could walk into power relatively comfortably. Lets face it, after the brown debacle it seemed that any reasonable Tory would walk the election. Cameron didn't even win it.

Ed Milliband will never be the most dynamic leader but at least he's a proper socialist, not a rebadged semi Tory like Blair - and even his brother.

 

I think most of them went to Spain where this isn't much work, maybe they've moved to Germany now but we're told in the media that they prefer Romance-language speaking countries like France, Italy and Spain but if they're going to Germany that's not the case and that means they will come here in large numbers as well.

And you're also forgetting the Roma who aren't coming here for jobs but council houses and benefits, there's loads in Rotherham already, every time you go in the NHS drop-in centre near the town centre it's full of them so you have the housing costs, benefits costs, schools costs, NHS costs and almost none of them are contributing anything and ever will.