RIP Hugo Chavez

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  1. Redstar

    Redstar Well-Known Member

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    Agreed, ALBA
     
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    He's renowned for it. Generally blaming all the ills of the world on the Jews. He likened Israel's conflict with Palestine to the Holocaust and got into bed with neighbouring states such as Iran and Syria purely to agitate. Venezuela does have a reputation for anti-Semiticsm and their Jews do have a tough time of it, but with Chavez out of the way it looks like there may be progress. Venezuela should address it's own dreadful poverty levels, before sticking it's nose in the Middle East.

    I thought you'd know all this, it's fairly general stuff.
    This is quite objective....
    http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/pa...-explores-roots-of-anti-semitism-in-venezuela
     
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    Do me a favour.

    Good riddence to the commie t**t.

    Strange how most of the communist countries (e.g. Venezuala, North Korea, Cuba etc) are generally regarded as being global pariahs and using the communist doctines to cling desperately onto power. Tossers.
     
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    That's very similar to the reaction I shall have when the witch Thatcher pops.
    In fact strike that I'll be pissed for weeks
     
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    I take strong exception to that remark. That will be the "idiot" brought up on a farm by her aunt because her parents didn't have enough money to clothe and feed her, who worked extremely hard at school and went to university, working in a office part-time to pay for it, who now speaks 3 languages fluently, who married a Canadian and then could not bring her money out of Venezuela when she left? Are you telling me she is a liar about the T-shirts / paying off the electorate /police detention?

    I also take exception to "gibberish". I have a different view point from you, from a first-hand account of life in Venezuela under Chavez. Sorry if it upsets you that not everyone shares your left-wing views. That's life, I'm afraid.
     
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    Regarded as global pariah's by the US as they can't exploit the resources of these countries. Well, their corporations can't.

    I don't know why I'm wasting bandwidth replying to you again though. Your only posts are, it seems, against one of mine.

    BTW, North Korea is not a communist nation. Oh and look closely and I think you will find Chavez won elections to "cling onto power". If the Cuban peopel wanted rid of their system they would get rid of it.
     
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    Well they certainly werent addressing poverty before Chavez took power.
     
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    Redstar Well-Known Member

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    Correct
     
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    Sorry, but because they are from Venezuela doesnt necessarily make it true. Just as if you speak to a Conservative supporter you will get a different view of the UK than if you asked a Labour one. It might make their viewpoint true, but it does not translate to a correct overview of Venezuelan life.

    If you're going to rebut the points I made, then do so with some reasonble facts. I dont know if the $10 claim is true, but as I stated, given the vast support for Chavez from the poor i'd be surprised if they had to pay someone to stand around for a TV piece. It's not as if he won the vote with a crappy share of the vote (see Labour, See Tory winning margins!) As you said "the wealthier Venezualeans" left the country. That tells you two things a) they've had it too good for too long and b) they can afford to leave if they want to.

    Even Chavez's critics would admit that compared to what went before him his policies in involving the poor were remarkable. Im not against criticising many of his policies and i wouldnt want him leader of my country, but I just get tired of the hocum dished out about how the country "wasnt democratic" and how "he changed rules to stay in power". Both of which are portrayed entirely incorrectly by Western media. He might not have been popular amongst the rich, but seeing the crowds to see his coffin tells you he was immensley popular amongst the rural poor, whise lives he has changed remarkably.

    You dont have to share my views, no problem - id rather see the rich go without than the poor suffer. If you have a problem with that, then it's no wonder you take the side of your rich Venezuelan friends.

    non sibi, sed omnibus
     
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    Excellent post
     
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    You see how easily a simple piece of propaganda can turn the minds of those who dont bother to read beyond the ends of thweir nose, but instead repeat like a parrot "what they saw on the news"?
    On a related subject I read today in the Guardian that the US Government, Donald Rumsfeld and General David Petraeus were directly responsible for setting up torture camps in Iraq. The piece goes on:

    I mention this as the US's history in Latin America and its quashing of democratic self autonomous movements is shameful, barbaric and against all democracy stands for. See here for a full list: http://www.zompist.com/latam.html
    It also had a long history of funding, training and using death squads to cruch popular movements in order to keep 'their man' in power. See Chile (Thatcher & Pinochet) et al.

    What Chavez did do is to give Latin America some freedom to tread it's own path and not be bulldozed by US policies who demanded they do as they say or face the consequences.

    That alone is a victory for democracy.
     
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    Well it f*cks me off when the democracy in Venezuela at least has credible alternatives to vote for. Yet people on here and elsewhere who purport to “support Democracy” turn a blind eye to the fact that in their own country they have nowhere near that realistic alternative – but instead like to tell everyone how undemcratic that country is whilst quite happily swimming in their own sh*t.

    The poor in that country voted for someone who stood up for them and gave them a voice - instead of choices for the rich elite who existed before. </SPAN></SPAN>

    Boo ****ing hoo.</SPAN></SPAN>

    We could do with a dose of it here.</SPAN></SPAN>
     
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    Correct. That is why the USA did not like him. He stood up for his country and enabled others in the subjugated Latin America to do the same.

    Of course, democracy can only be provided by having two parties who believe in roughly the same things.
     
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    Correct. The US of A are so quick to condem the likes of Cuba and Venezuela but those in glass houses should not throw stones...

    As for this country, it is ****ed. We have lost or are losing all the advances of the last 100 years. Still, as long as folk have X Factor and the Queen, all will be well..
     
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    Correct, I was in Venezuela (Caracas), during the failed coup attempt in 2002 that attempted to rescue Chavez from jail. The then regime simply used that as an opportunity to kill prisoners and claim they were trying to escape. No links to newspapers, I was there and heard the gun fire!
    I visited a few times in the years before.
    The country had been systematically run down over years with money being pumped out by the oil companies. In the few years I visited it went from being well run to shambolic.
    Chavez reversed than, and supported the poor. RIP
     
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    Lucky man, not often you get so close to something so significant.

    Anyone interested should watch this video, The Revolution Will Not Be
    http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0363510/

    Taken by Irish documentary film makers it covers the failed US backed coup. Amazing stuff even if you don't like politics.
     
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH69q-6XGnk
     
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