Animal Welfare Lobbyists Ruin the Grand National

I've no idea about horse racing as I never watch it, but as others have said it doesn't seem to matter what size the fences are, horses will still be killed. Is there an "acceptable" death rate? I don't think so, therefore I think it should be banned.

 

Would that mean York isn't invaded by pissed up dikcheads numerous times a year? If so, I'm in

 

I was talking specifically about the Grand National but I got invited to York once on a company do. I was bored senseless. There seemed to be about an hour between each race, during which the main activity was swallowing, then a race lasting a couple of minutes, which I missed anyway because I didn't know which direction to look in.

Sneaked out after 2 hours and went into the city for summat to eat. Never, never again.

 

Everyone who bets on the national is contributing to the deaths of horses?

Bit convoluted but I see what you're saying Mr C. Are you a vegan or fruitarian or similar?

Eating anything with meat in it would mean contributing to the deaths of chickens, cows, sheep etc etc - in the case of tesco burgers even horses. As would having leather shoes, eating wine gums and so on.

I'm not saying animal deaths have to be accepted in all walks of life. Its important that their welfare is protected as much as possible but what would be the point of banning the national? That's just one fenced race of thousands worldwide. They all have risks, shall we ban them all?

The animal welfare side is flawed anyway. These beasts are bred to race. It's their purpose, and in the main I think any animal expert would tell you that the horses love it too. If they didn't enjoy racing they'd be no good at it - take the races away and they will be slaughtered, and in due course the larger horse breeds will fade away.

There's risk with any riding of a horse, if you blanket ban that then horses will cease to exist apart from on European meat farms.

Where's the line? Presumably your argument doesn't just apply to horses, so given that people have died participating in pretty much every sport - football as an example - are they all to be banned?

I've no issue with anybody not liking something, but why should it be banned because you don't like it? If you don't like the national, don't watch it and don't bet on it. Fair enough.

Why should everybody else have to do the same? It's a bit like the whole 'meat is murder' argument. It's enough to put me off my findus lasagne...

I'll be having a bet on Saturday, and I'll watch the race with my family. As will millions of others.

Nothing can be made 100% safe. The national over the years has had multiple measures put in place to improve safety. Including a lot this year. There could be no fatalities for ten years. And you're wrong about the jockeys - there may have only been one death but there have been multiple serious injuries where if suffered by a horse they'd have destroyed it, including broken limbs and paralysis. Therefore the compared death figures are very skewed. It's part and parcel of the sport and not one jockey has complained or said that it should be banned.

That poor lad from Ireland fell at Cheltenham and is apparently paralysed below the neck. If he was a horse they'd have killed him. I'd bet he doesn't want racing banned, I bet he'll watch the race and I bet he'll have a flutter on it himself.

 

oh, you guyssss

 

How many horses have fallen/died at the biggest fence at Aintree in the last 30 years??

PC brigade are clueless cvnts who know nothing about NH racing, but they'll be out in force over the weekend.

 

Shut up woman. BTW it's a shame it takes a Grand National thread to see you so involved in chat on here My opinion is it's a shame horses die. For me they are the best animal in the world. I don't think the Grand National course should be made safer though or it takes away the spectacle of what it's supposed to have been about for over a century. It's at owners own risk if the want to enter their animal in it.

 

Hee hee like!

 

Don't be so fvckin stupid. Racehorses are bred for a reason, and it's not to go in burgers.

 

I nearly died whilst using a staple gun once oh and using step ladders to change a light bulb and also whilst crossing the road.


Therefore I should be banned.

 

I would suggest that you went to the wrong bit of the crowd. I used to go to Cheltenham every year, but haven't for the last 3 or 4 years because its been spoiled, ironically, by a football element. Getting smashed and wanting to fight isn't my idea of a day at the races.

If you do get the chance to go again - and from your viewpoint I would imagine you won't, but if you do, go to a smaller meeting and try to go down to the paddock area where you can see the horses up close and it does make you appreciate what beautiful creatures they are.

As for the argument regarding a horse's purpose as a money making cash cow (or horse!) for the owner, I would suggest that prize money won by 95% of horses does not cover training costs and vets bills, and that most owners are in it for the enjoyment and thrill of owning a racehorse, and will care for their horse long into retirement and beyond. It's not a case of 'once a horse stops making money, they slaughter it'.

 

Nice one big man.

 

Go fvck yourself. Stick to the painting by numbers.

I'm glad you met your hero, 'thereev'. You'd have thought that someone as intelligent as yourself would have seen what a parody he was, hence his, '2000 posts' celebrations. I see you're well past that and in less time too

 

Classy!

 

Wasn't it just.

You still haven't said told us what you think racehorses should do if they're not racing though.

 

I never said they shouldn't race. You should read a bit more instead of shooting off that abusive gob.

 

Take your point but it's my opinion that's all. I drive a car most days and go careering down mountains with 2 planks on my feet. My choice, my risk.

I think it should be banned. Not horse racing in general, just the Grand National and any other races like it where the carnage is too great. I do however accept that others have different opinions and I'm not going to fall out with them about it.

 

I'll make it easier for you then.

Why shouldn't horses run in the Grand National?

 

I haven't said that either, in fact the opposite. You still haven't read the thread.

 

Because its dangerous?