Int the point that you can't just seperate the two things though. You can't blame everything that went wrong under Hill on him as Flicker was his assistant and similarly you can't attribute everything Flicker has done with Hill's squad without a nod to the fact that Hill must have built a good team. I will quickly add that Flicker has done a remarkably job and is a much better manager than Hill
Lol. It's not summat I partic like doing, cos nobody gets stuff about football wrong more than me, and Flicker's astounded me with how he's turned things round, but it's interesting to see how people's perspectives have altered on Flitcroft's role pre Hill going and his attributes. Think someone mentions there that his appointment would drive supporters away - wonder what that was based on ?
And? People can change their opinions. Doesn't reflect on the person at all so pointless dragging old threads up. Only the stubborn would stick to an opinion regardless. Which is what keef was.
I've never said that they can't change their opinions. You can't change the fact you used to hold an opinion - that's what people are doing.
I don't pretend I've always felt that way. I didn't want Flitcroft as manager. Now I think he's done an amazing job. I've changed my mind. You're seeing stuff that isn't there and are constantly trying to justify the record of a manager you backed to the hilt that in reality was ******* appalling. I thought Flitcroft was part of the problem, I was wrong. When Keith was in charge he had the final say, the buck stopped with him and he was ****. Flitcroft is now in charge, he has the final say and we're doing brilliantly.
Pretty much. We make judgements all the time about players, managers, coaches. At least half the time my initial assessment is wrong. That's no better a success rate than you'd get from a chimp.
Not sure if that's in reply to me but I backed him on the basis that I thought we weren't far off and had the makings of a good team (which it could be argued the success under Flicker has shown although I accept there are many counter-arguments), and that the board wouldn't have a clue what to do if they sacked him and wouldn't be able to attract who they wanted (which is absolutely indisputable). They got the right man, for the wrong reasons, through the wrong process. So basically we all got very lucky. Plus its all immaterial. Flicker has done an outstanding job and whatever happens I'll be proud as anything tomorrow
Stop being so nice and amiable, we're having a big row here, show your claws. I think Dyson is a brilliant poster on here, one of the best we've ever had and I always read everything he writes. But I think he's just point scoring on this and there's no need for it. The vast majority of us didn't want Flitcroft, but now we think he's great. So what? There's nowt underhand about that, we've just changed our mind for quite obvious reasons.
I can't bring myself to argue when everyone's so positive! Its all I've ever dreamed off. To be fair to him I'm just as bad, kindred spirits and all that.
Yup, it is. Don't go finding any threads that I've posted in though you fcuker, I've written some right ***** on this BBS.
Guilty as charged. That was the impression given at the time but Flicker has more than proved he's his own man. And better than Keef. That's the crux here isn't it...