Woolwich

Sorry to hear that about your brother

 

Its not the scripts of any religion that are doubted its the way SOME people interpret them or interpreted to them that's the problem.

 

Come on then, what's this "something" you want doing? Do tell.

 

There is no interpretation. It is the word of God and cannot be misunderstood. It is every Muslims duty to fight for the cause. It is every muslims duty to turn a non Islamic state into an Islamic state. It's there in the book , clear as day. Dar Al Islam means house of Islam or Islamic state. Dar Al Harb is a non Islamic state. Or translated, House of War. Plain enough for you? It is every Muslims duty to convert the latter into the former , by whatever means as long as it takes. Most will do so by demographics and creeping Islamification. Terrorists are just in a hurry.

 

Death Penalty should defo come back for terrorists involved in murder

 

And he puts another worm on and casts again

 

Wouldn't happen in this country but a detention centre purely for terrorists should be created. A sentence in the mainstream prisons is no punishment to these people. In fact it has been reported that radicalisation is taking place in a lot of prisons.
Taken from a report in the Telegraph:

It warned that up to around one in 10 of the UK’s 8,000 Muslim inmates were being successfully targeted by extremists inside jail and could form the next generation of terrorists.
Michael Clarke, director of RUSI and co-author of the 2010 study, said: "Perhaps some 800 potentially violent radicals, not previously guilty of terrorism charges, will be back in society over the coming five to ten years ... The natural reaction to improved counter-terrorist operations is for jihadist attacks to evolve towards more individual efforts."
The report warned that radicalisation was taking place particularly rapidly in the eight high-security prisons where terrorists are usually detained.


Seems they were bang on about individual efforts.

 

'these people'

Doctor !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

According to many sources, over 4,000 US soldiers have died in Iraq since 2003. 179 British soldiers.

123,000 (estimated) Iraqi civilians dead.


Here's yesterdays death toll:

Tuesday 21 May: 46 killed.

Tuz Khurmato: 5 by car bomb.
Kirkuk: 6 by IEDs.
Khalis: 2 by gunfire.
Baghdad: 5 by car bomb.
Baquba: 3 by car bomb.
Abu Ghraib: 10 by IED, 4 by gunfire.
Ramadi: 1 by AED.
Mosul: 4 by gunfire.
Kanaan: 3 by IEDs.
Diyala: 3 by bombs, gunfire.

May casualties so far: 619 civilians killed.



That's a lot of bloodshed, and for what? Why?

Religion? Politics? Oil? Race?


All I know, is that there's a lot of innocent people getting caught up in it (whatever 'it' actually is).


And it seems another innocent has fallen to 'it' today. Very sad.

 

These people as in terrorists, stop trying to make an issue out of something that is not there.

 

That is an incredibley bizarre interpretation of all religions. So you are basically saying that most other religions don't believe their holy books, in fact only the fundamentalists do, but you can only be a Muslim if you're a fundamentalist. There is no other form of Islam than fundamentalism, and the Quran has no scope for alternative interpretation?

 

It's a Global Islamic civil war Whitey and it's brutal and grim and the rest of the world is seemingly at a loss what to do about it apart from the obvious idea of arming both sides (Syria).

 

Have these two loons been inside?

 

There's more interpretations of the Koran and Islam than there are of the off side rule

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/muslims-adhere-to-different-islamic-sects.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Islam_branches_and_schools.svg

 

I have no idea Redstar, but by high lighting the point about individual attacks I meant to point out that's what I think the new strategy is as the security forces seem to be foiling bigger and more organised attacks.

 

Aye, a bit like the USA arming the Afghans/Taliban, Al-Qaeda and many other 'terrorists' to aid their civil wars. Reight idea that was. And yet folk baulk when I call the USA the worlds biggest terrorists.

 

Mate, these loons could start a war by interpreting the oakwell review to what they would think it said

 

It's no coincidence that the more extreme posts tend to be the worst written. Rather a "uni drop out lefty" than a knuckle dragging racist.

 

Yes and no.
Most religions have their fundamentalists, sadly, who take it all a bit too seriously or what is usually the case, hijack the scriptures to reinforce or excuse their own political leanings.
Islam is no different in this respect. A lot of the hate preachers have an agenda that has little to do with real faith. The Kuran has plenty of scope for interpretation, its an old arabic text. It uses language that is different to modern Arabic in the same way olde English is different to modern English. There are as many Scholars of the Kuran as there are of any other religion and they all argue with each other all the time. Part of the reason they are killing each other so much is probably a difference of opinion. Where it differs though from other religions is that the battle for control of the faith is being lost to the fundamentalist preachers who are pushing the jihad agenda as they see the west in a state of decline and are looking to expand Islam on a global scale. They are able to do this partly out of fear and partly because they can justify quite easily the hate speak with the book. So even the moderates have trouble standing up to them, because 'it's kinda in the book and I can't really argue with Allah can I'? I should imagine being a moderate Muslim isn't a whole heap of fun right now. Being blamed by everyone because some nutjack used their religion to murder people, and having their faith misused in this way is probably very annoying. Around the world though many Muslims are standing up to this crap and paying a heavy price.

 

Not to the brainwashed and that's the trouble.