With Ali Cook getting to yet another hundred

What the **** are you talking about? Do you get all your cricket opinions from Stan Collymore as well?

 

I'm messing with you.

Fired says

like there not know has i put above. three of them are 6ft 6 plus with finn topping 6ft 9 and reaching 90 plus. Not fun for the batsmen even top ones like Taylor.

 

You really are obtuse, Phil.

The key difference between myself and you, is that I'm watching the present day cricket, as are you, but I've also watched it for years before you, AND I've made the effort to watch myriad of old videos, dvd's and youtube clips of cricket stars before my time. This helps when debating different eras, different teams/players etc.

You on the other hand, dismiss the cricketing past, just as you do with football/tennis/F1 and any other sport you've started watching in the last 5 years or so. And, that dilutes your opinion. But, it doesn't seem to stop you from trying to prove that YOU are always right, and that NOW is always better than THEN.


I value you as a contributor to this forum as you indeed keep us busy/entertained. I can only hope that one day you feel similarly for other posters whose opinion you never respect or agree with.

Love you,

Andrew. X

 

Whitey, i'm not the one been abusive.

Only when i've really had enough will i be abusive back when the likes of Wayne are like that all the time and now have called me a liar having never met me.

I would not knowing lie on here and i haven't in this post.

I'm like a sponge, i love intaking infomation about things i like.

People like you and others twist what i say. Not sure why you have done that but you do.

 

Read my post again.

I haven't twisted anything, neither am I abusing you.

I just find that discussing anything with you is futile. You're never wrong, and unless it's the here and now it's irrelevant.

Nobody is calling you a liar. People are just not buying it when you're trying to make out that Cook is the best English batsman ever. Nor do they agree that Ajmaal is harder to face than Warne ever was. And that's because these people have watched cricket before you were born. Some even play it on a weekend.

I would never try to educate someone on cycling for example, because while I love the sport, and watch it keenly, I only really became interested in it to a regular degree about 5 or 6 years ago. Don't get me wrong, I've read up on it, the history, watched a lot of old stuff, to further my enjoyment of it, but there are some extremely knowledgable cycling fans on here who I would rather listen to, instead of trying to argue with them when I'm merely a newbie.


That's the easiest way I can think of to explain what I'm getting at with you, mate.

It's actually good to be wrong on occasion. Man, I've perfected the art form. Trust me.

 

I'm not going to get into an argument about who bowled fastest and when it was, because we all know that all sport was ***** before the advent of Sky Sports.

But, the point I was trying to make was that in the late 70s and throughout the 80s Test batsmen faced hour upon hour of fast, intimidating bowling - the batsmen didn't know if the next ball was going to be full length / yorker or flying past their ear. And from both ends. And all day - not just for a relatively short time during a 1-day international.

I can assure you that Alastair Cook has never faced anything like it because there aren't any decent fast-bowling / accurate bowling pairs that compare with the ones I mentioned earlier. Don't get me wrong, Cook is a very, very good batsmen. I like him a lot. But, I just don't think that batting in the modern era compares with what the opening batsmen of old had to contend with. Which is why I posed the question in the first place.

 

It's boring.

i bet it was always sunny and the fields smelt beautiful.

time to wake up for some.

 

Please dont take this the wrong way but can i just say











you really are a fcuktard of the highest order

 

Irony overload.

It's just a suggestion Hemmsy-lad, but perhaps you could give some respect to the opinions of people who are a little older than you are and therefore have experience of matters prior to 1990.

People like me respect your opinions - you're entitled to it. So perhaps you could make it mutual. To say you are a tad "boring" with your constant indulgence of all things Sky Sports, dismissing as inferior anything that went before its inception, is a vast understatement. Please Hemmsy, try not to be so one-dimensional. You never know, it might help you in the long run, in all walks of life.

 

Also

The batsmen of that period were facing the phenomenal pace of the likes of Holding, Thompson, Lillee, etc. with the bare minimum of protection. So therefors technique had to be spot on in order to avoid injury.
I don't understand the necessity to be ignorant & derogatory towards past eras in sport. Not everything was better in the past, but neither is everything better now.

 

Re: Also

The truth can hurt! Cheers, mate!!

 

Re: Also

I'm sat on the comode whilst typing!

 

Having played cricket and as a 15 year old facing a senior "Caribbean" XI for Birdwell B... I can assure you pace makes a huge difference.

Statistically it may not look a great deal, but if you can be physically hurt, it alters your game and tests your character like nothing else in cricket.

Imagine a 95mph hard ball jamming your fingers against wooden handle. Numbness affecting your grip, every ball threatening your ribs, head (without helmet or with), inner thigh. It's extremely intimidating and if it hits you, even brushing you seemingly slightly... it hurts. A lot.

And the Windies were masters at it. Holding, Garner, Roberts and Marshall are immortals. Just as Warne is, just as Murali is. Just as Trueman is.

Batting wise, I think Cook is going to sail past English batting records because so much cricket is played and he has lots of time on his side. Remember Gooch was banned because of the apartheid tours and didn't play for a lengthy spell. He also remodelled his game after getting out constantly to Terry Alderman.

 

People love to look at the past with red roses tinted glasses.

zzzzzzzzzz boring.

These are pro cricketers, well the best in the world pace will not haunt them. Most of them like it. It's a challenge.
and people talk about been disrespectful, i think that's you.

Hopefully the England players can win it this summer and make it three wins in a row and then win it in the winter to make it 4 wins in a row but your still been distressful to the core of the team that made England the best team in the world for the first time ever.

 

I hope we win the Ashes every time we play, obviously.

Cricket has changed massively, and like football, comparing one era is very hard to do.

Pitches at one stage were uncovered meaning the ball could spit and leap or pea roll. That never happens, pitches are the flattest and slowest they've ever been and are very true. Some of the windies pitches in the 80's were almost glass lack in their sheen, baked hard and lightning fast.

Whereas today, the pitches take pace off the ball after it bounces. In years gone by, that didn't happen.

Seriously, go down to some local nets, don't wear a helmet, and get someone of moderate pace to bowl bouncers at your head.

Even professionals get intimidated by bounce that's aimed at the head or ribs. I'm sure there is some footage on youtube of the likes of garner, holding, Roberts and marshall.

 

And Mr Holding also says some were slow or really slow too.
he says this, not me him.

he says there was some pitches in the west Indies that he didn't want to play on.

There's some fast and slow pitches now.

 

And some look at the past with **** tinted glasses. This is a poor era for international cricket. You can't argue with that as you have only been watching sport for a couple of years so can't possibly offer an objective opinion.