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  1. SuperTyke

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    Was his challenge

    A. “Careless”
    Meaning that he showed a lack of attention or consideration when making the challenge or that he acted without precaution.

    B. “Reckless”
    Meaning that he acted with complete disregard to the danger to, or consequences for, his opponent.

    C. “Using excessive force”
    Meaning that he far exceeded the necessary use of force and was in danger of injuring his opponent.

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    Just wasn't a foul.
     
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    Ponty Al Banned Idiot

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    none of the above
     
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    From the ponty end it looked reckless, but watching that, it isn't a foul! It was a 50/50 challenge and Jennings wanted it more
     
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    I must have a different set of eyes to everyone else. He jumps in with two feet. So I think it's careless, reckless and using excessive force. I don't think he catches the Wigan player with either foot and he gets the ball, but I've seen numerous players sent off in the last couple of seasons who have made a dangerous challenge but not caught the opposition player. It's counted as dangerous play and referees are being very strict about it. You'll see similar challenges this season that are only given a yellow, but you'll see plenty more given a red. I don't see how we can complain, if you don't jump in with two feet, you don't get sent off, it's that simple.

    We were taught to tackle with one foot. If I'd made that type of challenge in junior football the referee wouldn't have had time to send me off because our coach would have dragged me off the field by my ear and I wouldn't have played another game for a month..
     
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    We must have different sets of eyes Jay, as far as I'm concerned it's 1 footed. The other leg comes through much later and in my opinion isn't a part of the challenge.

    Opinions though.

    And I stand by the fact the referee saw the reaction and panicked. There's no way his immediate reaction was that he was going to send him off. I looked at him as soon as the challenge was made and didn't look like he was even going to give a foul until he saw Watson running in Jennings direction.
     
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    i had a good view of it from where i was in ESU. immediate thoughts at time were 'good tackle'. but the reaction to it all, made the refs decision very easy. not a hope in hell's chance of getting that rescinded. have to take it on the chin now, and focus on getting him sharper for when he's back available
     
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    Yeah, I kind of think you've both got a point. The second foot is miles away from the action, but he does still launch himself into the action. It was reckless and silly - I think he just wanted to get involved and put himself about a bit.

    My opinion is that a sending off is understandable but a touch on the harsh side. We'd have no chance of winning an appeal.
     
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    The Wigan team acted like a bunch of nob heads after the challenge. There's no argument about that. But for me, two wrongs don't make a right. I find it very difficult to understand how you can't see it's two footed.

    This is an image grab from the above footage mid tackle. Leant back, both legs straight out in front of him as goes through the tackle. Proper leg breaker.

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    He should have stuck the nut on Ben Watson then at least he'd have earned a red card.
     
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    Work computer won't allow me to see the image so I can't see the image grab. The video from the West Stand to me shows that the second foot comes through far later than the first (relatively, obviously it wasn't 30 seconds later) and that Jennings got the ball with that foot before the other leg came anywhere near.

    Its happened now and theres no way it'll get overturned, but I certainly don't think it was as bad as described above.
     
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    My take on was it wasn't a red card BUT my first thought was 'he'll get sent off here'
    Referees haven't got any ****** so they just opt for the easy option..... Wigan players were pathetic in the aftermath of the challenge too, a suppose that's what 8 years in the prem does to you!
     
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    I think that just emphasizes the fact that it's one footed and both legs are on the ground. He wins the ball with his right foot and catches the player with his right knee. His left leg is nowhere near the ball.

    Straight reds should be awarded when a player jumps in where both feet are together and off the ground. Jennings did neither. It's not reckless because he was in control of his body.

    It was a strong tackle but I don't think he'd have got a red card had their player not feigned injury and the rest of them not crowded around him.
     
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    What he said
     
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    Awaiting Nightmares response, banged on consistently about how it deserved red. Utter ******.
     
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    It's a red for me I'm afraid. Why is he going to ground there? Could have stayed on his feet (like the Wigan player was intending) and put a decent, strong tackle in without recklessly diving in. He gets the ball but he also gets quite a lot of the player. You can't go diving in like that, that's how legs get broken. Yes the Wigan player and team makes the most of it and he wasn't hurt but it's both A and B for me.
     
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    I personally find it hard to comment, simply because I'm a biased fooker. Had the challenge been on one of our players then it would have been a definite red. But because it was one of our own then I can see why he was sent off, as in my view it was careless. I can fully see Jay's point of view too as I hate to see two-footed challenges, but as Blivy says IMO the 'other' leg, although there, wasn't involved in the incident.

    Wigan's reactions were pathetic and, as mentioned, is typical Premier League attitude. After a season or two at Championship level hopefully that Prima Donna attitude will have departed.
     
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    Yeah. I have to side with this even though im 2 or 3 seats away from jay. It's what I saw.

    However not yet seen a replay so am open to being challenged on it.

    But the ref had is hand in his back pocket ready the moment the players all jumped in so he made his mind up pretty quickly
     
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    Why would it? It does the job for them.

    I think it's more likely that after a season or two more established Championship sides will start doing the same.
     
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    Yellow card. Red card if it was a Wigan player.

    When its a 50/50 challenge like that, if you 'dive in' you will always put yourself in a position to be sent off. If you watch closely, the Wigan player intends to commit to the tackle standing on his feet, probably the correct decision, because he didn't get sent off.
     
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