Holocaust denial..

I don't think any of us are denying it, are we?
I was pretty clear in my post that I believe the mass killing of Jews took place via various crude methods.
I was merely wanting other opinions on that video in particular, that suggests it was impossible to kill 500,000 people in that particular chamber at Auschwitz due to the method that is claimed by historians etc.
As I say, I found a few things interesting, made me question certain things.
Nowt wrong with that. I am a human. Not a robot.
There are members of this forum whose views I regard highly on the subject, and history in general. So I started the thread.

 

Difficult one this - in principle I agree with Jay that I don't want to start creating thought crimes in this country - we are already getting very bloody close to that in some ways.

However, I am 100% behind your disgust at the mere suggestion that it never happened.

 

The thing is that the author of the video believes it couldn't have killed that many people because of the design but what you can't allow for is the pure dedication to the task the Nazis showed.

And given no one ought to be in a rush to test the methods we accept that it happened in the manner it seems to have done.

 

Does anyone know that bankers rule the world

 

Of course they do.

 

Whitey, you are right, it is human to question things, especially when they are so horrific that they seem barely believable. Although the Nazis tried very hard to upgrade their killing machine, I think myself that they failed to do it, but neglect, cruelty, starvation and despair did it for them. The result was the same, though. They wiped out an unknowable number of people, of whom Jews were probably the greatest number by far. We tend to forget the gypsies, political dissidents, homosexuals, people with special needs, the handicapped, prisoners of war (especially Russians, but don't forget the British PoWs who ended up in death camps) and anybody else who crossed them or got in their way.

 

Coming soon on the forum of the team at the bottom of the Championship:

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The title of the video (HOLOCAUST HOAX EXPOSED) should suggest quite strongly that this video was never going to be serious, impartial history.

 

It seems to me as though the video (which I watched in full) is, rather than a denial of the Holocaust, more symptomatic of something which obsesses every death news item on tv - the BODY COUNT.

The actual number of dead seems to matter more than anything else.

 

One death is a tragedy, a million merely a statistic.

Said Stalin. On his way to killing millions.

 

Just looking at the Amazon info and part of it says "how the original Auschwitz plans didn't include gas chambers"

That's true, but seeing as they weren't built until 1941 when the camp opened in 1940...,

How does ***** like this get published?

 

I'm not having a go at you personally Whitey,I assume you put this on with honest intentions but I'm absolutely amazed that anyone else could possibly entertain such disgraceful stuff...I don't know how old you are Whitey,if you're a lot younger than me I can accept you're of an internet generation where there's a conspiracy theory lurking behind every issue,but I'm of a generation where our Fathers and Uncles witnessed or served with men who witnessed these terrible crimes,the whole world knows from the testaments of survivors,the films and photographs,the diaries and often extremely detailed records the Nazis themselves compiled,every German over 16 at the time knows..the Allies took the townspeople in to the camps so no generation in future could doubt the Crime,Germans today live with that guilt..even though in my opinion
the ordinary German has no blame to shoulder...the only doubters are fools, the only people who deny this truth are revisionist historians to sell their books or neo Nazis who wish to cast doubt on the crimes of the people they model themselves on.To bring doubt on such a crime by disputing figures is shameful...it makes no difference if it were 1 Million or
6 million.

 

The ordinary German today should bear no responsibility for the past but do for the future to ensure "Never again".

Ordinary Germans at the time? Not convinced a lot didn't bear responsibility.

 

No I believe the ordinary man and woman in the street,bearing in mind that at its height only about 10% of Germans were Party members,people powerless to affect anything the Nazis did are personally blameless,but I do understand why they feel that guilt.You are right though Redstar..they must assume that guilt to assure 'never again'

 

Watch the video I posted, it demonstrates that it can happen anywhere.

 

Of course it can. Like I've said earlier with freedom comes responsibility and we are am responsible for ensuring this never happens again.

Although of course it does continue to this day...

 

I don't really understand how anybody can honestly believe that it didn't happen. How it happened, why it happened, who did it, who was involved, I can understand people questioning all of these, but whether it happened at all? I don't understand how anyone can question that.

9/11. People question how it happened, people question who was behind it and that is perfectly fine, there are reasons behind those questions but if somebody said '9/11 didn't happen' you'd write them off as a loony straight away. The holocaust is just the same.

I will accept that some people have questions over the numbers because that is perfectly natural. Propaganda was rife during the wars so inflating of numbers was common from all sides in all situations (as was underestimating the numbers if it suited). That combined with witnesses' natural inclination to overestimate things when they remember them could quite easily lead to the 6 million figure being significantly over exaggerated. However I don't actually think that the number is important. Whether 6 million people were killed or just 6 isn't important, what is important is that somebody, some people were killed.

 

There is a lot of evidence to suggest that ordinary Germans knew what was happening but chose to ignore the missing shop keepers and school children.

Then there are the military personnel that knew about it...

 

I've watched the long programme. Seems to debate the numbers involved then at end decides to say it was impossible altogether.