Holocaust denial..

Of course.

 

I find it hard to believe that anyone needs to doubt the terrible atrocities committed. Makes me sad to be honest and not worth commenting on.

 

Firstly look at how the tower falls in this video, this looks very unnatural and like it has been a building demolition https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSApOavkHg8

This video of firefighters explaining they heard explosions while one of the towers collapsed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO1ps1mzU8o

 

I don't have to watch these videos again to know they are *****, everything has been refuted in those.

 

You seem open minded...

 

Joe I'd put this one to bed mate if I were you..it's the biggest load of b*****s ..nobody in the world blows down their own city centre with thousands of it's own citizens in those buildings.Sad people conjure up convincing conspiracy theories(stories is a better word) on the internet for a pastime that may also make them some money,just write it off for the garbage it really is,the first time I heard this story the same person told me he 'knew Diana was murdered by CI5'..if you're young and never heard of the organisation just google CI5.

 

When it comes to conspiracy theories I'm generally not - I've seen loads of the 9/11 conspiracy stuff before. i don't need to spend another 30 mins or however long watching them.

It's funny how when you refute them people say you aren't "open minded" yet the most closed minded people are the conspiracy theorists - everything you put against them is "part of the conspiracy", there really is no point engaging with them.#

And I said the first question I ask is "Why?" - there is absolutely no answer to that question from a 9/11 conspiracy theorist that can't be completely taken apart.

 

If you actually think the US goverment gives a f.uck about there own citzens there is no point even talking to you.

 

Great point. The biggest misconception of the Holocaust is that these acts were committed by ignorant, mad-men. These ideologies are often born out of the highest sophistication of thought, in seemingly advanced and cultural societies. Look up Martin Heidegger. It is the idea of 'master race', born out of Darwinism and taken to the extreme, but implementing principles of natural selection that we see everywhere in the natural world. Add to that the inherent flaws of human nature - arrogance and vanity, and you have this self image of an 'ideal' race. Then living amongst you, is a group that is different and physically weak or inferior with a history of displacement and persecution, that if it was destroyed would remove these weaker elements from your society and leave more resources for yourself and your 'kind'. It then requires great psychological skill to convince your own group of this 'fact'.

Then many artists, philosophers, intellectuals are thinking on a different tangent, one that has strong human qualities of compassion and justice. Then they become a threat to the first group and part of the 'other' group. This is why a great number of dissenting cultured people perished in the Holocaust, particularly in occupied non-Germanic states.

 

Joe, despite Americas many shortcomings,and the a*******s that exist within the CIA....it is a democracy...this would be hounded down by honest people and exposed,like for instance the Watergate scandal...tbh there is no point in even talking about it seriously other than to try and make people susceptible to such stuff realise it's not worth the internet page its written on.

 

And if you think enough people could be kept quiet who would have to know about it there isn't much point talking to you. I think the recent cases of Edward Snowden and Bradley (Chelsea) Manning shows that isn't possible. Or maybe they are part of the conspiracy as well, expose people to show that things couldn't be covered up as part of the cover up!

 

Very well put MrC

 

There wasn't really a long tradition of anti-semitism in Germany until Hitler came along though was there?

It was actually in Russia where there had been many pogroms.

 

There was plenty
http://web.mnstate.edu/shoptaug/AntiFrames.htm

 

Great discussion. Which was my intention. That, and getting the thoughts and opinions of certain posters whose views I value. So yes, job done.
But for the record, I made it clear from the outset what I believed. I am not in denial of the holocaust. Neither do I think the video is factual throughout.
I was sent a link by Mr C the other night of a video about the holocaust. I've made it known previously that it is a subject that interests me greatly, and for reasons personal to me and mine. It was after watching that that I stumbled across the hoax video and thought I'd see what the fuss was. And whilst I found mainly disturbing, I found a few things interesting also. I then thought I'd get the opinions of others on it.
Job done.
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PS - one side of my family are of Irish blood, t'other Jewish.
God bless the fallen throughout all wars.

 

The holocaust was beyond anyone's imagination the fact that it happened some people just can't/won't take it in. As has been said the holocaust did not just entail the concentration camps or the extermination of the Jews (see Mr c's post) .
IMO the human suffering and message of never again should be done educationally rather than through the courts.
As a by note concentration camps were first used by the British on the South African Boers to coral them so they could not use the guerilla tactics which plagued the British Army. They put women and children into these as well and disease and cruelty were widespread that's where the nazis got their ideas for them.
This was kept away from the British people. People in authority acting on supposedly the mandate of its people,we really need to keep an interest in what our governments are doing abroad and make them accountable

 

Just as an aside to this discussion..the Nazi's record keeping was extremely thorough,I have a book called 'Exemplary Justice'
which details the RAF Police hunt for the murderers of the 50 POW's from The Great Escape,contrary to the film they were not rounded up and machine gunned en masse,but were murdered in one and twos,usually by Gestapo operating close to where they were recaptured,apparently the records kept by German doctors and undertakers were extremely useful to the RAF as they apparently refused to falsify causes of death,for example rather than invent a non criminal cause of death it would say the truth...2 gunshot wounds to the back of the neck.Very useful in bringing these people to Justice.

 

It wasn't kept away from the British people...many of the great and good raised these issues in the House of Commons at the time.

 

Media wise the journalists were kept well away by the army and newspapers were discouraged by whatever means to report in full/truthfully what was actually happening

 

I could be wrong...its a long time since I did the subject..but I think it was reported in the Times