I know I bang on about animal rights all the time, but fck's sake...

Done. That's just grim.

 

Done. The damned Chinese are responsible for so much animal cruelty it beggars belief - we shouldn't need to sign a petition for stuff like this in 2013 ffs.

 

I'm not in a frame of mind to see more barbaric animal treatment today, so chose not to open Dusthaknow's link. If it was the footage currently doing the rounds of the delightful Chinese culinary practice of taking a blow torch to a live dog, then I've seen it once and that was enough.

Panda's are a difficult animal. It's true their habitat has been invaded to a point, but for a low populace, largely inactive mammal they do have more than ample room and resources to.... basically just fcking get on with life. They seem stubbornly hell bent on extinction. Once a carnivore, it chose to go veggie - a practice I would actively encourage in humans, but an large alpha mammal and has Jay pointed out, sometimes we forget - actually a big fcking bear - no!! Eat other animals, be part of the food chain - there were and are plenty about, even if if they are just insects. But no, panda goes all PC and picky, not only that it chooses only to dine on a certain bamboo of a certain vintage, whose nutritional value is virtually NIL, it will also not get off it's lazy arse to sort itself out with a fresh supply. It has an enormous range of untouched habitat, of course it has no natural predator and even the Chinese won't hunt and eat it - but will it cross a seldom used road to get to new feeding/breeding opportunities? Will it fck. And it has virtually no interest in shagging and preserving it's species, they even tried 'panda porn' to get it excited, seriously- on HD DVD. Not bothered.

The panda has been the poster boy/logo for the WWF since it's inception. So despite it costing an absolute fortune to preserve, it's extinction would be a political/public relations disaster for the badge of the WWF*. It would appear to have failed in it's endeavours. But they really should be let go, as they can not survive, or indeed appear that bothered about surviving, without major human intervention and their situation really isn't that bad. The panda is a species that has come to it's natural conclusion and evolution has selected it for extinction. We are in a massive denial of that fact. It is on a serious life support system that is draining resources away from species who genuinely have a chance of life and do need our protection against poaching and the fcking ridiculous superstitious market for useless animal products, usually that of rare species, hence their commodity value. Ironically the biggest, most ethically and intellectually backwards market is China, the home of the giant panda.



* Waiting for some ***** to ask what wrestling has to do with this, pre-empted you nob-head.

 

I agree to an extent but while have no problem with people eating meat, I do myself, but where possible I always eat British and simply because I know that most of them were killed humanely and for me that is the difference. If I knew the animals I was eating had been killed inhumanely in a market stall by an unskilled farmer rather than a skilled and licensed slaughterman in an abattoir or in any manner of cruel way I would not be able to eat it. I don’t agree with cramming animals into lorries and I think we still have some way to go to make sure the animals live a happy life prior to slaughter but compared to some countries, China being one of them, we are light years ahead in my opinion.

 

Done

 

Why do we feel the need to police every single country in the world?

 

I only buy British too mate. Well, I do when I buy my own meat, god knows what I buy when I eat out at a restaurant.

I'm appalled by a lot of what goes on in China with regards to animal cruelty, the opening post in this thread being a fine example. But I'm not sure a Chinese farmer, raised from birth to tend to and then slaughter his own animals, is any less skilled than an eastern European immigrant with no background in animal slaughter, on minimum wage, working in one of our abattoirs.

I'm not having a go at immigrants, it's just the meat processing industry in this country do employ a good deal of economic migrants. They don't take on people with a background in this industry, skilled individuals who have chosen this line of work as a career, they employ anyone looking for work.

 

The animal rights movement is a world on it's own with a single aim. It doesn't recognise borders and you can't wrap it up with mainstream politics. It will expose cruelty on it's doorstep as well as other countries and China should should bollacked for what violations it perpetrates and gets away with.

My only worry that what was the planet's most powerful voice on animal rights (Britain) is now looking a little suspect on how it treats it's own wildlife and increasing threats to relax the laws on vivisection. How can we tell Africa how to look after it's elephants, when we can not even protect out own badgers and foxes against the Government?

If China wants to petition Britain against wildlife crime, it is more than welcome.

 

Sorry. Not worried about this, more concerned about how we are ruining the future for our grandchildren by bending over backwards to accommodate Islam in this nation. Sharia law will be a fact within 35 years.

 

Yawn. Will it eck.

 

Way to hijack a thread!

 

Is it not more about protecting rights of animals (and indeed people) whether they were born in your village or the other side of the world? I believe we are all humans regardless of where we're born and I would fight for the rights of someone living in a country I've never heard of just as much as I would someone living round the corner from me. Same goes for animals.