Anyone fed up with this Scottish referemdem rubbish

If the Scottish are really that daft then let them do it.

Personally I don't want the Split as I don't like to see disasters. Scotland aren't even a strong economy and are destined to be another Ireland.

They have a big deficit and it will soon rise with the North See oil running out soon. There GDPs was 120/150 billion when the uk's 2.3/2.4 trillion (both 2012 figures). Now i'm sorry but thats a big difference and they seem to think its good for us to be connect to them, what a load of rubbish.

In my opinion if they do leave then its time to get tough on the Scottish and make sure they have NO connection to to the bank of England and push them towards their only other currency, the Euro. Joining the country's which use the Euros not compulsory now too so they can be control by central Europe like the Irish.

I think England and Wales should shut all defence up in Scotland have spread it between the two nations.

We would also not allow them to use any infrastructure owned by England or Wales including TV programs and any other services .....

 

They are being influenced by the German chancellor, they are wanting to share the North Sea Oil money and pump into the Bundesliga and the Scottish Premier - we cant let them have it or the Premier League is doomed!!

 

Gerrem telled Hemsie. Looks like they've spent the Equivalent already!!

 

the quote of "they will have no other money other than the euro" hhahahhahahahahahahhhahahahahaha

What about the scottish pound Hemsy

 

Spain - Done.
Germany - Done.

Scotland's turn now, which country do you have in mind next, Hemsy? I never really liked those pesky French!

 

You sound really fed up with the debate.

 

As somebody who was born in Germany(in a British Military hospital) and now a resident of Scotland, I hope we can still be friends Hemsy.

I also studied a bit of Spanish language at school, sorry.

 

You racist lovely person.


How is the rat infested cesspit of Hemsworth these days?

 

The Ramblings of a madman.
After reading this is it little wonder that the yes vote is just a little stronger.
Think about it Hemsyboy. Should we not achieve the votes required to break away then England will be stuck with this parasitic land called Scotland and you will have to bail us out and look after us.
Thankyou.

 

I think there is an EDL forum on the Internet if you look hard enough.

 

My view. If the Scots want independence then "off they jolly well trot".

There should be conditions though:

1. They must not be allowed to keep UK Sterling as a currency. You cannot have a separation of fiscal and monetary policy. Look at the Eurozone - I rest my case. If the Scots go independent, spend loads of money they don't have then who would foot the bill of their national debt? So Scotland, join the Euro or have a separate currency (Scottish pound - whatever) - oh and good luck with that. The UK treasury and Bank of England should be very firm about this.

2. North sea oil. Given that the majority of the North Sea oil infrastructure was paid for by UK taxpayers, then we have a right to it as well. I don't see why they should just get it all. A fair proposal would be to draw a line in the North sea that is extended from the diagonal border of Scotland and England. I.e. the North Sea boundary extends Northeastwards, not a direct line of latitude from the East Border point. They can have whatever oil fields are North of this line, we get what's South.

3. Scotland's independence must mean no UK Government or Government backed agencies or publicly funded bodies. I.e. no defence, no BBC etc. You will have to pay for all of this yourself. You will have to become a separate state in the eyes of the European Union.

4. They can keep the Queen as head of state. If the Aussies have her then the Scots can have her too.

5. No Scotsman should be permitted to stand in an English or Welsh constituency.

 

It's us that should be getting rid of the jocks. Not them saying the are leaving.

A country full of parasites. Jocks make me sick the way the hate the english if it had not been for us the sweaty socks would still be living in caves

 

You seem a tad bitter there Epsom.
So you'd deny us the privilege of the BBC and Gary liniker and Eastenders. Wonderful bring it on.
Notice you deliberately did not mention Faslane. Once Independent it will be going and all the countless millions it takes to run it with it. Fact. The full expense of it all will then become Englands and of course you will have to find a new base for it, and it won't be on the Thames.
The Queen is only remaining to appease the monarchists but I'm sure she and her scrounging family will be told to go after we are free.
Anyone want to buy a castle?

I read your post again and your case is paper thin.

 

It really shouldn't matter where somebody is from/born, we're all human beings, can't we all just get along and live in harmony?

Christ, I feel like I need to get my guitar out and start singing "Kumbaya" after that statement.

 

They would. Doesn't matter which currency you use, if you spend it then it's your debt. When Greece overspent the debt wasn't shared out equally amongst all the countries using the Euro. The debt belonged to Greece and still does. Other countries within the Euro offered bail-out packages to help Greece but they didn't automatically take on the debt.

Should Scotland or us for that matter, spend loads of money we haven't got and are unable to make the repayments then the value of our currency on the world market could be affected, but the debts we rack up will belong to the individual nations.

If Scotland do gain independence the chances of them doing this are extremely remote. Because they will be continuing with the British pound, the Bank of England will keep a sharp eye on what they're doing and won't allow it happen. It won't stop them getting in debt, they'll have to repay that, but it will stop them destabilizing the pound. They'll just stop giving them any money. Anyway, the Scots are notoriously tighter than a gnats arse, they're not going to over spend. There'll be a mountain of fifties hidden under all the mattresses in Edinburgh Castle.

I don't want Scotland to be independent. I like Scotland, the majority of Scottish people I've met have been bang on. I think we'll both be stronger nations together not apart. But if they do gain independence the least of my worries is that they will continue to use the British pound. The more people who use our currency, the better the chance it has of remaining strong.

 

I'm not bitter about the Scots wanting to leave. If they want to go independent then they should go - and good luck to them if they do. I genuinely mean that.

My point is that the terms of this divorce must be fair. Now what part of my argument was paper thin?

I stand by the argument that we should not share a currency. Scotland cannot be permitted to have their own fiscal policy (raise taxes, spend money, borrow money) whilst relying on the Bank of England setting monetary policy. What's paper thin about that?

North sea oil. Has been funded by UK treasury. Why should Scotland get it all? I'm suggesting a fair split of the resources based on the natural direction of the boundary. Whats paper thin about that?

I didn't deliberately set out not to mention Faslane. I didn't start writing that post thinking "Christ, I mustn't mention Faslane". What a ridiculous assertion! Ok - we'll take it back, including all the expenses. Doesn't bother me. Logistical nightmare, but I'm sure both countries will be able to sort it. Anything else I deliberately didn't mention?

The comment about the Queen, was tongue in cheek. Thought that came across with the reference to the Aussies, but clearly it didn't. Have a President then. No problem.

We seem to be in agreement about public bodies and the BBC etc. Fine. Scotland will also have to become it's own member state in the EU. We can't have UK treasury paying EU imposed fines due to Scottish non-compliance of set regulations. I'm not saying they would, but that just makes sense. Or is that paper thin also?

On reflection my comment about Scots taking on English, Welsh constituencies in an English/Welsh parliament was unfair. Take that back. If they live here why not? Maybe that was the paper thin bit you referred to.

 

Sherrup thi ya Scottish git...so what time do ya reckon you'll be landing on saturday mate, I'll know tomorrow for definite if I can make saturday, is Andy making one?

 

PS Can't believe I'm discussing this under a thread that uses the word 'referemdem'.

 

Aiming for about 1pm mate, cheeky pint or two before 3 points

No idea about Whitey, I heard KFC were headhunting him this week.