Wonder if Jim O'Brien slept much last night

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  1. Jay

    Jay Well-Known Member

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    It was an awful mistake, but we all make them from time to time. Can't remember Jim doing owt like that before. It's rare you see someone so visibly gutted though. You often hear people say they wish the ground would open up and swallow them whole, but they don't really mean it. That's exactly what Jim was hoping would happen. For a while I didn't think he was going to get up.

    So he's already fretting about the goal he gave away, he already feels like ****, and then to compound matters his manager is sacked on the back of the result that Jim already feels responsible for.

    Chin up Jim, we all make the odd gaff. Flicker got the job full time due in no small part to the unbelievable work rate you put in during the second half of last season.
     
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    He was probably up all night on Twitter.
     
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    I'm sure you appointing responsibility to him will make him feel a whole lot better.
     
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    I haven't. In the slightest.
     
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    Yeah totally.......always given his best.....comes across as a top lad.......he just probably ain't good enough........although Ipswich performance suggests otherwise at times
     
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    No worse really than the pass that M'Voto made straight to their goalscorer for the first one. That set the tone.
     
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    Don't get why you don't like him mate. He's not the greatest player we've ever had, but it's hard not to warm to a player who gives so much effort. I've seen him leave the field when he could hardly walk.
     
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    M'Voto can't be solely blamed for that first goal. How he managed to get a shot away when picking up the ball where he. Did is criminal.

    Step forward Paddy McCourt for major blame there.
     
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    I've always been a big fan of his to be honest! I used to enjoy watching him play for Motherwell, but he's not really lived up to that since joining us. Just look at the Ipswich game, that's the JOB I remember.

    Can't fault him for his effort.
     
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    Yes. Let's blame the attacking players for the defenders mistakes. That old chestnut.
     
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    Really? If a player collects the ball 40 yards out, I wouldn't expect him to waltz forward and unleash a shot unopposed.

    M'voto was slack, but that shouldn't have resulted in a goal. Attacking players still have defensive responsibilities you know, and McCourt just didn't try to get anywhere near him when he could have.
     
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    McCourt was as much at fault as Perkins for the first goal, in my opinion.
     
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    Especially hard on jim because he'd tracked back to clear up the mess Perkins and Dawson were making of birminghams clearance. Not the best player in the world, but his effort can't be faulted
     
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    Probably. Was just a bad day at the office all round. I just can't lay 100% of the blame at M'voto's door when the situation could and should have been salvaged.
     
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    I'm not getting into this consistently boring argument about how Paddy is terrible at doing his defensive duties.

    When M'Voto, Perkins, TK, Cranie, Dawson etc are dribbling past players like they're not even there, scoring goals, making goals etc, then I'll have a pop at Paddy for not making up for M'Voto's mistake. His latest mistake.
     
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    Just had another watch. McCourt clearly tries to get to him. McCourt tracks him, Perkins puts in a tackle, the ball bounces off Perkins which wrong foots McCourt and puts the Birmingham player on the other side of him. McCourt can't get to him so tries to trip him up. Neither McCourt nor Perkins did a very good job of trying to stop him, but you could argue that their player got lucky with the ricochet, and I don't know how you can say they didn't try.

    [video=youtube;rLtkB-7KJDY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLtkB-7KJDY[/video]
     
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    Not going to answer me then? I'd like you to show me exactly where I was 'appointing responsibility'.
     
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    Assume that was a reply to me?

    There's a difference between not having defensive responsibilities versus putting a tackle in when you're there and the team is in danger. For the record, I'm not debating him as a player, just discussing this actual instance of play and not the whole game or season. It was actually his defensive work that got us the goal against Wednesday, so he can bust a gut when he needs to. On Saturday, he needed to.

    Lots of people making assumptions tonight .....
     
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    I'd say that's laxidasical from both of them, but that's just my opinion. I wouldn't be happy with either of them, was hardly a committed approach from either
     
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    I agree that it wasn't very good from either, but I don't think they neglected their defensive responsibilities, just made a hash of them.

    It's one of the reasons why I don't want McCourt tracking back all the time, I don't want him as the only cover in the centre of the pitch as he's not very good at it, I want him up field where he is some good. I know that wasn't your argument, but it's been a big issue on this forum over the weekend.
     
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