Politiocal correctness.... a resolution to the OTT'ness in society....

Only the person targeted by the so called 'racism, sexism, ageism, 'gingerism' disability' should be regarded in law as capable of making a complaint. That way all these ' indignation by proxy' types who sit in their attics firing off letters to the Beeb, writing to papers committees and pressure groups would not cause so many problems. Same applies to these police edicts regarding chanting. Surely the offence should only occur if someone in the targetted group is offended and makes a formal complaint otherwise the police are second guessing what may be offensive.

For example I was out with a disabled (cerebral palsy) pupil ( I was a driving instructor at the time ) who was also a friend and about to leave for university and a friend of his shouted across the street to him something very 'un-PC' relating to his physical diability and drivi to which my friend laughed as it was clearly an in-joke between two friends. A passer-by then took his friend to task and banged on about being offended and upset ("distressed" FFS!)and had a 'good mind' to report him to the police - this in spite of my disabled friend interjecting on his behalf saying he wasn't offended and it was just a joke. Undeterred the woman pressed on until my mate eventually told her to "p*ss off".

Offence should only be taken if the comment is malicious and then only by the person (group) to whom the comment is made. Too many busybodies ( including one or two on this forum!)

Anyway 3 points today - COYR!!

 

This post offends me.

 

Agree with the sentiment.

However, we're all going to a football match this aft. If the fans start singing a song about one of the players and he finds it offensive, say it's racist or summat, has he got to walk off the field and tell a bobby he finds it offensive before they will do anything about those singing the song?

If I'm in the pub and there's some proper old school racism going on, real KKK stuff, do I have to listen to it because there isn't a black man (or woman) present?

 

"If I'm in the pub and there's some proper old school racism going on, real KKK stuff, do I have to listen to it because there isn't a black man (or woman) present?[/QUOTE]"

Err - unless you are black probably yes. You are evesdropping on a discussion in a pub which is not actually targeted at a specific person. Granted you may find some comments distasteful but you can always find a pub with a 'better' clientele. Rather like " If a tree falls in a forest and there is no one there does it make a sound?" I put it to you if no-one person or group targeted are present there would be no offence committed.

You could argue that just about any discussion could cause offence to someone... be it abortion, euthanasia, religion (don't get me started on THAT one) so what do you expect us to do - sit in silence with our pint in hand?

Addenda! ...singing about a specific player present is Targetting and in the specific instance , say football, during the match then the police could act and detain the offenders. However charges would only be brought if the player had heard the chants etc and wished to pursue it further. Again no offence unless the person/group affected it offended.

 

Ok, so they can't get done. Am I allowed to beat them up? If they're allowed to say it, surely I'm allowed to kick **** out of them?

 

The flakey logic does.

 

If you are not part of the directly persecuted minority, you are not allowed an opinion and should keep you nosey, busy body trap shut? By that sentiment, you would have let Hitler invade Poland.

I find something objectionable, I'm going to say so thanks. I'm going to stand up to persecution, prejudice, bullying and any such inhumane behaviour, where-ever I find it and however removed I may be from that personally. Whether that is defending a badger's right to be a badger, or giving my modest voice to some poor lass in Afghanistan who was stoned to death for owning a mobile phone. I will sign that e-petition, go on that march and write to my MP. And I'm not going to be told how to feel or what to do, by someone who's too thick to know that it's the meddlers and do-gooders who were the loudest and bravest in this society you are trying to police.

By the way, I'm on your side too - the heartless and ill-informed. I'm here for you.

 

Nice try, be as racist, sexit, agist etc. as you want, but don't expect people not to call you out about it.

"First They Came for the Jews"
By Pastor Niemoller

First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.

 

Bloody ell who are They, im gonna have to look out for them, they sound reight nasty buggers

 

"They" are those people who use stupid phrases like "political correctness gone mad" or "PC brigade".

 

I've just been thinking, I don't know if you are married of if you've got children or not Tekkytyke, but if you are/have would you happily stand there and listen whilst someone insults them? Say if your child was disabled, could you not stick up for them unless you share the same disabillity. If someone calls your wife/mother a slag, can you not stick up for them unless you yourself are a wife/mother/slag? If you are out and about with your mates and someone insults them or starts a fight with them, would you just stand there quietly minding your own business?

 

Ah thanks for that i ll keep me eye out. Not me Japs eye i hasten to add

 

Flawed logic there. My wife would be insulted and therefore I would defend her. There is a direct relationship/link between her and me and I would react because I know the comments were malicious and upsetting to my wife (that said, if you knew my wife you would know she is quite capable of looking after herself , well, in a verbal battle of wits at least).
Starting a fight is different (at least in my book) from a few tasteless words. How quick are you to start wading in with fists flying? My argument is that people take offence 'by proxy' on behalf of people they have never met and can have no idea if that person is offended or taking the comments either as a joke or would like to turn the other cheek.
I did wonder how long it would be before someone brought up the business of Jews/ Nazis (..."and then they came for me!") That is completely different where people are suffering physical/persecution - Institutional - persecution where their livelihood, civil rights and even their very existence is under threat. Ignore them?? That is absolutely NOT what I am saying. we often 'joked' if that is the correct word that I would have been one of the first to be shot as I would have been very outspoken about that regime.
I AM making a clear distinction between people taking offence at 'poor taste' (albeit quite which is NOT the same as what I have just stated. Much as I found Bernard Manning unfunny, crude and tasteless for example, he did make ONE point ....He insults everyone.
Reginald D Hunter got into trouble using the 'N' word (in an ironic way) and being An American of African descent he was surely entitled to use it in the way he did. Why should white Caucasians take offence? Frankly the arrogance shines through in those who are overtly PC in that they assume these groups and individuals need a "knight in shining armour" to come riding over the hill to save them from persecution and humiliation.

There is 'cry wolf' situation as well. If people complain continuously about perceived persecution and racism the real serious, insidious institutionalised stuff gets drowned out in a sea of white (pardon the pun) noise! Pick your battles 'cos there are enough out there.

 

Heartless and ill informed?? That's good. You formed that opinion of me from one post?? Amazing!!

 

How do you extrapolate that I am racist, sexist, ageist from that post? Try reading it properly. I take it English is not your first language ort did you fail Comprehension at GCES /O level? Also see my later earlier response to your subsequent post.

 

You could always ignore it, and not give the perpetrators the attention/reaction they are most likely craving. You know, like grown ups do, or at least used to do before we became a society of over-grown kids forever arguing about name-calling.

People who spout the kind of abhorrent stuff you're talking about will only ever change their ways, if that is in fact possible, through experience and maturity. However criminalising certain words/opinions (i.e. Political correctness) can never be the answer as it leads to the madness we have now of a new outcry ever other day from the professionally offended over some word or other someone has used without any malicious intent, and tedious cyclical debates on footy forums that can by their nature never reach a conclusion.

 

You've just changed what you originally said there though:

So now you can complain if there is a direct link between you and the person being insulted. You can also complain if people are suffering physically or being persecuted. Can you write these all down in a list please, so we can all consult it to know if we are allowed to express an opinion or not.

 

If you want to be insulting, you could try reading my posts correctly. I never said that you were any of those things. I said that if you do be so, don't expect people not to call you out on it.

 

This thread is Hilarious logic. If someone is being racially abused you should ignore it, because he actually might not care, be upset or feel threatened. They might just be having a laugh.

 

It is YOU who is not reading the comment correctly. Person and/or GROUP (e.g. family group) is in the original post!!. The example given was someone calling my wife a 'slag' As part of the family group I am entitled to take offence. What the whole thrust of my argument is about is targeting people who on complain about perceived distress to someone they have never met and can have no idea whether that person is offended. That is entirely different to the examples you are giving and implying I am a racist/sexist and / or God knows what else!

You also complain that I need to tell you what you are free to express opinions about which is ironic in that, by being a PC' warrio'r, you are in danger of depriving others of for fear of offending. Amazing double standards there. (Lack of) Freedom of speech was as much a part of the rise of the NSADP in 30s Germany and enabled propaganda and the state to nurture anti-Semitism.