See the Wiseman bashing has made an unwanted return.

The OP is spot on, it must be hemsworth tyke agrees with it. Come on guys you know the forum rules hemsworth tyke is right, everyone else is wrong

 

Well I don't knock players in public as a rule, but wiseman did do some ball-watching for their first goal.

 

I don't think any of us could come up with a better counter argument to that statement than what's already there. We just have to look at the only person on the BBS who has agreed with it.

"You don't agree with my opinion, you don't understand the subject." Most of us grow out of that sort of reasoning when we're about 12 and we begin to realise we're not the world's greatest authority and final word on any particular subject that our ego makes us believe we are.

He's had some good games this calendar year has Wiseman. Particularly in the fight against relegation last season when he was one of the better and most consistent performers in a team full of heroes. This season his form has begun to slip again, and lately it's fallen off dramatically, to the point where over the last two home games his positioning and ability to mark the opposition wide player has been the worst I've ever seen from a full back (although Kennedy is giving him a good run for his money). It cost us both games. He's cost us many games in the past too

The Scott Wiseman that showed up between January and April last season is a Championship player. But we've had him for 2 and a half years now and he's produced that kind of form for four months. Is he a good player who struggles to keep his form and is being poorly managed or a poor player who played out of his skin for a few months when the chips were down? I don't know, but I do know we can't afford to play him with the way he's performing at the moment.

 

The fact the wally with the brolly mcclaren sussed the two fullbacks are our big weakness and exploited it unmercifully tells you all you need to know about both fullbacks they simply aren't up to championship standard and need replacing ASAP

 

He has proved himself incapable of playing right back. His best games for Barnsley have come as a winger and also as a centre half (not something you would really associate together I agree!!), in a back 3. If we played with 3 at the back I would be happy to see him play there. We cannot carry on with him at right back.

 

Yes he's costing us games at right back and he's a confidence player and it's destroying his confidence playing RB.

 

Thank God we worked Paddy into this. For what it's worth, I think Wiseman's best performances have been when McCourt has played wide right. Gives the oppostion something to think about (in contrast to Etuhu on Sunday) To me Wiseman simply does not have the defensive awareness for this level. His pace gets him out of trouble occasionally but that's about it.

 

1. No defensive awareness.
2. Naive in coming to the ball and lets whoever back him into the box.
3. Never in position.
4. His pace might get him into decent positions, but no awareness in looking up to pick a man out. Instead knocks either what is an aimless poor ball in the box or a pathetic rushed shot.
5. Doesn't take control, always when he's caught out of position it's someone else's fault. He's always quick to have a go.
6. Well I could go on.

He can be decent but will never be reliable.

 

I criticised him against Watford, and he was similarly poor on Boxing Day. I didn't attend on Sunday so can't comment. But I've not 'bashed' him in any way for a long time. Although admittedly, I gave him a lot of stick for his performances last season prior to Flitcroft's appointment. Warranted stick. I never once became abusive. And I've always supported him - and all the players - when paying out my arse to watch them.

But he can play well at right back. I thought he was superb at Elland Road the other week. Looked every bit the championship full back. I said as much on here.

But by and large, he's average or poor in that position, in my OPINION (we still allowed to form these are we not?). He has played for a bottom four club the last three seasons, in fact, he's been the most picked outfield player in that time along with Perkins.

His better displays for me have been as a wingback/winger. Or, when in a defensive position, when Hassell has played alongside him (as at Leeds). He seems to need an arm around him, and I think he lacks belief in his own abilities at times. I've never known us have two full backs at the same time who don't win anything in the air. Neither do they make many tackles. But their positional awareness and all round positioning is so basically inept it costs over and over again.


The final straw for me was hearing the summary of our full backs given by one of our all time best in that position on Sunday. A man qualified to judge. A man more qualified than any of us on here. A man who played there - successfully - for the same club as Wiseman/Kennedy, at the same level, on less money, and ACTUALLY received dogs abuse regularly whilst playing a pivotal role in our most successful period since pre-war times.
He pretty much stated the same opinion held by most of us on this forum. And why? Because he has eyes. And, because he's honest and not trying to be a 'look at me look at me, I'm being diametrically opposed to the majority to stand out' type of person..


I like Scott Wiseman. I think he'd make a cracking winger, and a decent right wing back. But I think he's an average-to-poor defender. If that's bashing him, and goes against the minority opinion then I'm happy to accept that.

 

Is it a coincidence that Wiseman's form seems to have dipped when Ramage came back into the team ?

 

Maybe not a coincidence Dave, it had crossed my mind along with the effect of the o.g at Millwall.

 

That does not mean he deserves the personal abuse he/they receive. He was brought here by the then manager who told him/them he/they were good enough for championship football obviously they are not but the person/s who told them they were special human beings have a lot to answer for.
But imo they try to give 100% although they are not at the level they were brought in for. I have seen many others in red shirts who were good enough but chose not to try l do not think that accusation can be aimed at these players currently there is a difference in not being good enough and not trying.

 

Personal abuse is totally unwarranted but I thought we were posting opinions on a message board. To be fair, the comments about Wiseman have been pretty tame compared with some of the vitriol aimed at McCourt.

 

What does he have to do? Play his position and not keep getting dragged in field like he did all the time on Sunday. I've never been personal about him

 

Then why was he told to keep away from twitter etc or was it some other fans pretending to be reds

 

The fact that Nicky Eaden, in my opinion, the best full back to have played for BFC in my lifetime received 'dog's abuse' should tell you a little about the abusers. I will reiterate what I said to you the other day. Sod it, why should I bother. The lunatics are in charge.

 

That accusation can be levelled at premiership players also.

 

As I said, totally unwarranted. But I don't have a Twitter account, and if I did I wouldn't use it to abuse anyone. Just so I'm clear, what is the BBS for if not to discuss the merits of players, teams etc? Without being personal - which I think ought to be possible.

 

Why? Is it not good enough to say he isn't a championship player and should not be in our team at this level.
If any abuse is warranted it is to the people that convinced him to step up and once established he wasn't up to championship standard keep picking him and not replacing him.
To abuse and ridicule and in some instances personally insult is totally wrong

 

OP. Is your name Stevie Wonder >
That is all .