Why I Will Vote Yes

Had his bile & filth been spouted towards someone black, Asian, East European or Muslim, he'd have been banned yet again. However, sectarian bigotry seems to be tolerated.

 

The ever controversial Nudge strikes back! Definitely was a funny post though!

 

My god that post is unbelievable.

Hope someone in authority picks you up on your sectarian comment. Court could await.

 

Again, seconded. Although I was christened in a Church of England family, I have no religious leanings and even if i had, I sure as hell wouldn't hold any sectarian, or any other horrible tendencies.

 

The protistent work ethic is widely recognised as what made this country great

Any one that disputes it Google. Protistent. Work ethic

 

You're a pathetic, ignorant, lying, intolerant, despicable, sectarian, bigoted excuse for a human being.

 

Just Google. Protistent work ethic.

 

You're a pathetic, ignorant, lying, intolerant, despicable, sectarian, bigoted excuse for a human being.

 

I have. Google returned the following message...

Did you mean: Protestant work ethic


And I agree with everyone else's sentiment regarding the sectarianism and bigotry.

 

Personally, I'd STRONGLY advise all Scots to vote no.

There are indeed a number of countries however, rather much the same general size as Scotland in terms of population, who have prospered under their own flag. Whilst I think that economically it would be very different and difficult for Scotland, it is not impossible for them to stand on their own two feet. Short term, however, Scotland would be very economically unstable, something that could take years to reverse.

I think that the economies of scale that available from remaining within the union, on many many different things, are something that should not be forgotten or dismissed. Bit of a cliche, but there is strength in numbers.
There are a number of practical things to consider as well. How do we divide up national debt? And of course, the armed forces.

Whilst I don't think there is a chance of Scotland obtaining the Euro anyway, if they did manage to, that would be one of the worst things they could do. What they have to do it simply create their own currency, which naturally would have to come massively devalued in order to make Scotland competitive. But of course, this is not simple, and whilst long term should prove prudent, short term it will be tough.

Personally, as I say, I'd advise Scots to vote no. I've visited Scotland a number of times, and have always been made to feel very welcome and would disappointed should it become independent. for the people of Scotland, not the career politicians, your best interest would be in voting no.


But what do I know..

 

The problem with this debate is that it is being argued on the basis of old politics. Scotland is essentially a socialist country trapped in a majority Tory supporting union. The same could be argued about Yorkshire. The current debate about the use of the pound is another example of this argument. It is being portrayed in Scotland as a peevish Tory controlled national government erecting barriers to Scotish independence, but there is more to the currency than what you use to buy your beer.

Currently, Scotland is allowed to print its own money by the Bank of England. If the Bank of England can no longer exert any control because Scotland is independent, this cannot be allowed to continue. But this is not the only way that money is created in the modern world. It can also be created electronically, by simply paying off bonds through the creation of pounds in a computer. The laws of supply and demand apply to a currency in the same way as they apply to anything else. If there are more pounds than there is a demand for, the value goes down. The Bank of England simply cannot relinquish control of the value of our currency to an independent country.

The type of government you support should not be the only driver of your decision in the independence question. The two countries are so integrated now that the separation negotiations are likely to last for years, even after a vote for separation which has been conducted without prior knowledge of the final terms. As an example of this integration, you only have to look at who will be allowed to vote in the referendum. Everyone resident in Scotland who is allowed to vote in a General Election will be given a vote. This means that English, Welsh and Northern Irish will be allowed to vote if they are resident in Scotland, but Scots living in England, Wales and Northern Ireland will not. Children with dual nationality are allowed to vote if they are resident in Scotland, but not if they are resident in England. This starts to raise questions. What is a country if it is not its people. The country is not voting, it is the people who are voting. The two countries are integrated and have been integrated for 300 years. It makes sense. We are an island, and as an island, we can defend ourselves better. We have a history together and a history of violence towards each other before that. We went through two world wars together and before that an industrial revolution that brought prosperity to both our nations. Our history both together and apart should persuade voters in the referendum not to throw it all away for some short term political imperative.

We in Yorkshire know just as well as you do in Scotland that you do not always get the government that you want, and our national voting system encourages this feeling of disenfranchisement, but that should encourage us both to fight for changes within the current organisation. The centralisation of wealth in the south east of England is something else I guess that we both feel strongly about and which governments of all colours have failed to deal with. But the Scots must make sure when they vote that they are not voting to leave for the wrong reasons and that it is not possible to make a better country by staying within it, rather than going with the lottery of a totally new and independent nation.

 

The problem with this debate is that it is being argued on the basis of old politics. Scotland is essentially a socialist country trapped in a majority Tory supporting union. The same could be argued about Yorkshire. The current debate about the use of the pound is another example of this argument. It is being portrayed in Scotland as a peevish Tory controlled national government erecting barriers to Scotish independence, but there is more to the currency than what you use to buy your beer.

Currently, Scotland is allowed to print its own money by the Bank of England. If the Bank of England can no longer exert any control because Scotland is independent, this cannot be allowed to continue. But this is not the only way that money is created in the modern world. It can also be created electronically, by simply paying off bonds through the creation of pounds in a computer. The laws of supply and demand apply to a currency in the same way as they apply to anything else. If there are more pounds than there is a demand for, the value goes down. The Bank of England simply cannot relinquish control of the value of our currency to an independent country.

The type of government you support should not be the only driver of your decision in the independence question. The two countries are so integrated now that the separation negotiations are likely to last for years, even after a vote for separation which has been conducted without prior knowledge of the final terms. As an example of this integration, you only have to look at who will be allowed to vote in the referendum. Everyone resident in Scotland who is allowed to vote in a General Election will be given a vote. This means that English, Welsh and Northern Irish will be allowed to vote if they are resident in Scotland, but Scots living in England, Wales and Northern Ireland will not. Children with dual nationality are allowed to vote if they are resident in Scotland, but not if they are resident in England. This starts to raise questions. What is a country if it is not its people. The country is not voting, it is the people who are voting. The two countries are integrated and have been integrated for 300 years. It makes sense. We are an island, and as an island, we can defend ourselves better. We have a history together and a history of violence towards each other before that. We went through two world wars together and before that an industrial revolution that brought prosperity to both our nations. Our history both together and apart should persuade voters in the referendum not to throw it all away for some short term political imperative.

We in Yorkshire know just as well as you do in Scotland that you do not always get the government that you want, and our national voting system encourages this feeling of disenfranchisement, but that should encourage us both to fight for changes within the current organisation. The centralisation of wealth in the south east of England is something else I guess that we both feel strongly about and which governments of all colours have failed to deal with. But the Scots must make sure when they vote that they are not voting to leave for the wrong reasons and that it is not possible to make a better country by staying within it, rather than going with the lottery of a totally new and independent nation.

 

Thick as pigshit and an horrible ignorant fecker too. There's no wonder you spend your days staring at a blank wall

 

On this point, I think those in charge of the Yes campaign can hardly be congratulated on their conduct.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...x-salmond-head-of-state-scottish-independence

Alistair Darling, the former chancellor who is now leading the Better Together umbrella group of Labour, Lib Dems and Tories against a breakaway, charges the Scottish National party with a nasty campaign of intimidation ahead of September's referendum and says it is exploiting its "power of patronage" to gag institutions, academics and artists who receive funding from the Scottish government.

He cited an unnamed businessman who had been set to make "quite a sizable donation" to the no campaign, only to withdraw the offer.

"He rang me up, very apologetically, saying he'd just had a call from someone in the Scottish government who'd got wind of this and who said, 'If you do this, you'll never work for us again,'"

 

Its the greedy ******* idle rich and lazy landlords grabbing and hoarding all the resources that the workers have provided thats killing the economy.

 

You want out, why keep the currency? The power of the pound is built on an economy, an economy you want out of.

So I'm afraid it doesn't make sense for Scotland to keep the pound.

 

I find that highly offensive, I'm Catholic I've worked all my life. There are 10 million Catholics in England and Scotland, most Polish people who come here TO WORK are Catholic. You cannot characterise people as workshy based on their religion, especially when that religion teaches people the essential dignity of work.

 

What a cretin you are Tyrone. It's also Protestant not Protistent you ignorant tw@.

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Ian the fact that the Tories want to hold on to Scotland and its labour voters tells its own story imo.
They want to hold on to it because they know the resources are there and went to be in a position to administer it to their cronies either by being directly in gv't or influencing from opposition in the lords,civil service etc.
Every time the Tories seize power the lower classes always suffer its a cruel vendetta built into the heart of their party aided and abetted by fekless Tory wannabees who think because they have won the right by doing well for themselves but in truth have achieved it by are won rights by the lower classes over the years even schooling was a hard won right, not just given to us by Etonians who run our Westminster.

The vote in Scotland directly affects people in this country as we will be left to be run by a shower of ***** Tory ruling class who would love the return of street urchins and boys to sweep their chimneys.
Whatever your decision in the referendum spare a thought for the us south of the border being exploited by Tory wimps who's only thought is money and power.

 

Well said - I'm of Irish catholic descent and have never shyed away from my work , or my dad or my grandad for that matter. He came over during the war and helped clean up the rubble of the bombed towns and cities. My dad continues to work hard at the age of 66 and does more work than many men half his age. I can remember someone on here saying that I should be embarrassed to admit I'm catholic - why?