Just watched the first half again on Player..

As I have explained above, I post in order to find out more about the game. In order to do so, I first must find people who's opinions I value. The second part of it is not to post simply to agree with an opinion. You find nothing new about the game without debate. Debate happens by questioning and testing other opinions and by defending your own against people who's opinions you have respect for. I do not post in response to games I have not seen and I did not post after the last home game as most of those I respect had exactly the same view of the game as I did. I can see that my posting style has a tendancy to rub people up the wrong way and I regret this. I can assure you that it is not intentional, especially not in your case as yours is an opinion that I respect.

I ignored much of your original reply as I thought that it was not germane to the debate and was not something which which I had any great disagreement with (see above). I had exactly the same opinion of Jacob Butterfield as you describe and continue to do so. Fortunately for Jacob, it is not something that will prevent Jacob from having a good career, as he is considerably more skillful than Mellis. Unfortunately, lack of endurance will prevent Butterfield from playing at the very top level and it does mean that he will have a frustrating career, not only for him, but also for his present and future managers as they try to squeeze his undoubted abilities into a formation that suits him. In that respect, I do not think that Keith Hill has had the credit that he deserves.

I do agree that Mellis has improved in his defensive abilities, but on Saturday he slipped back into his old ways for some reason and deserved the remark by Supertyke that started the thread.

I will say again that I regret that my posting style irritates, but It is necessary if I am going to learn and assimilate what I think is valuable new knowledge and reject what is not.

 

I`d save that first paragraph it could save thi time int future like.

Thas already used similar several times already.

 

I didn't watch Mellis as closely as some people seem to have done. I thought he played alright in that first half, although I fully admit I may have missed some aspects of his game that were lacking. I don't focus in on one player to analyses exactly what they are doing right and what they are doing wrong. It's just not how I watch a game. Maybe I'm watching it wrong, but I can't see how you can judge the game as a whole if you're locked in on what one player is doing. If you're watching Mellis, you can't be watching the ball can you? Dunno, maybe you can. Those who have criticised Mellis can certainly back their argument up by pointing out that Wilson chose to withdraw Mellis at half time. I'm not going to watch the game again though to see who is right, because, well, I can't be arsed.

Even if Supertyke was right in essence, I thought his post was well over the top. Particularly after we'd won. It seemed like a vitriolic attack to me. Mellis may well have done the things wrong that he is accused of, but he also definitely did some things right, and that level of criticism just seemed way too much for the performance he gave. Not surprised someone took it upon themselves the task of defending him.

 

'' Frimpong offers little attacking threat''4

Thats a bit harsh. If you watch that video clip I put on here of him at Arsenal then you will have seen he can attack with the ball but he also plays the game for the team.

Whilst at Oakwell hes been asked to sit in and defend and hes done that very well.

If we had him in the Blackburn game in January we would have maybe won that game because he would have just sat in front of the back 4 and stopped Dunn running at the back 4 and setting up there first? goal.

He's at the same standard of the likes of Mellis and Jennings with the ball, but he's also very smart and can see situations developing and counter them.

I said on here when he joined that it was nice to have a really good defensive midfielder and thats what he showed on Saturday. His job wasn't to assist it was to do the nasty stuff in front of the back four that the fans might not appreciate and some will call him annoyingly a tailer for this but the team will love him for it.

IF we can stay up them with Mellis Frimpong and Jennings we have got the makings of a good midfield. How you play them will differ from fan to fan though.

 

An Arsenal fan here likened Frimpong to a young Michael Essien. Maybe not as good, but that type of player. He'll offer an attacking threat, simply because he's better than most opposing players who will try to stop him. I've only seen the FLS clips, but one shows Frimpong beak into the box on the right and square a perfect low cross across the 6 yard box. If that's not an attacking threat, someone had better explain the purpose of the game again, to me.

 

Good points there, Phil. And you're right about Manny. He isn't just a toiler. He has good technique from what I can see. But he's a destroyer. He'll tell you that himself.
After the must win game was won, I can't help admitting that it ****** me off to read criticism of anybody. Directly after the game. I will never get that, ever. We've won 5 games all season, with a 5 and 6 game winless run between each victory. Forgive those of us who prefer to credit the lads when a rare three points is won.

 

As I've said, mate, you should post more often. I enjoy reading lengthy posts just as much as I enjoy forcing them upon others.
Nowt wrong with a good debate, and whilst I do read your posts as a little condescending at times you admit you don't mean to, and also, I get called out for being a know it all, big head at times. Which baffles and amuses me.
It's the BBS. It's mental. And I like it.

 

Hez tha watched second haif, did Nick go off wit strop on.

 

I watched it, aye. And the footage proves nowt with Nick. Comma-ntator (Disco Devaney) does mention he walks away not happy, and that we don't need attitudes like that. But the camera only shows him walking off and Shea running on.

 

Pop n crisps?

 

Tea and biscuits.

Living on the edge.

 

Respect