Danny is not the Messiah

But nevertheless you wouldn't expect us to be pummelled by Huddersfield.

He should be judged purely and simply on this stint of management with us.

Nowt else.

Any other appeals for time to sort things out etc. must be seen in this context. And if he takes us down, remember we were not doomed when he was appointed. If we are well adrift at the end then it is evidence that he can't cut the mustard.

I don't think he has a bad squad. It is better in my opinion than Flitcroft had at this time last season.

No players have departed for financial reasons.

Many of this lot played well enough to have us survive last season (e.g. Steele)
Some are new this season (e.g. Paddy) and ought to be good enough
Others he's brought in (e.g. Brek) - are they good enough?

None of this "Danny knows what he's doing" tosh.

Or any excuses when down

 

Of course we were doomed. See the comment from S Wiseman for evidence.

 

We were six points from safety when we sacked Flicker. 5 points from safety when Wilson took over after Mellon's stint in charge. Now we're just 2 points from safety. Flicker amassed 11 points from his 17 games. Danny's got 11 points from 12 games.

You make it sound like we're going backwards when it's clear we've improved.

Anyone who thought we'd bring in a new manager and just start romping to victory is puddled. What we've done is slowly claw back the deficit. Along the way we're going to have to suffer defeats, some of them heavy like today. But compared to the rest of the clubs down the bottom we've gained more points while Wilson has been in charge than they have. That's why we've caught them up. That's all we have to do and if we keep on doing it we'll stay up. It's not going to be pretty, we were left in a reight state with a crap squad, but we're in a better position now with more hope of survival than we were on 30th November. That's why we swapped managers, and it's working.

Were we **** today? Yes. Does that mean we're going down? Most definitely not, and that's what this season is all about and has been since we brought in a new manager.

 

I would say the shortening on the gap has more to do with the form of those above us, rather than us catching up. I'm right behind Danny, but some of his decisions are getting harder to defend. The most glaring being his persistence with Brek Shea, over our own more effective players.

The flakier supporters have already bottled it and as usual, they are screaming louder and more often than those with spines and balls. At least let's go down with a scrap, I don't see that coming from Brek Shea.

 

Danny is a arrogant ****er sometimes, he knows what the fans want, but he also wants the fans to know who the boss is.

Ignoring Paddy for example.

 

No I am not suggesting anything other than Danny cannot be given license by virtue of his previous tenure.

11 points from 12 games is relegation form irrespective of owt else, and it could be argued that the fixture list has been kind. Your "clear we've improved" is not obvious to me.

You can save suggestions of "romping to victory" to other threads you may care to respond to. None of that in my post.

Your "clawing back the deficit" is a function only of the failure of others rather than the success of our team. Which may be good enough. But you wouldn't take an even odds bet on us stopping up would you?

I think what irks me most is this "crap squad" stuff. Why is this squad crap? Were we all bellyaching at the start of the season saying "this squad is crap?"

Not backwards. Never said that.

No new manager bounce. No excuses for him. That's all

 

11 points from 17 games compared to 11 points from 12 games. That's clear improvement isn't it? 0.64 points per game which gives you 29 points over a 46 game season compared to 0.91 points per game which gives you 42 points over a 46 game season. One will definitely get you relegated, the other still gives you a chance. That seems like a clear improvement to me. It's not a sensational improvement, but it doesn't have to be, we're aiming for survival not promotion. What it is is significant. It might see us safe, it might not, but it gives us a chance, where before there was none.

If the form of your competitors stays the same, while yours improves (which ours has) then you will catch them up. If it continues you will draw level and eventually overtake them. If we'd carried on at the points per game rate we were averaging under Flitcroft we would currently be on 20 points, 8 points from safety, 2 further back than when Flicker left. Our form improved and we're now just 2 points from safety. As I said, we're slowly clawing back the deficit.

Would I take an even odds bet on us stopping up? Yes. A small one as I'm not much of a gambler, but I would. That doesn't mean we will, I'm not even convinced we will, but I think we have a chance where as the way we were going before I couldn't see one.

I can't see why there wouldn't be an excuse for a manager that takes over 17 games in to the season with the club bottom of the league 6 points from safety. It seems to me the excuse is right there.

 

Any points improvement over such a short time period depends upon who you're playing. Our recent fixture list has been kind.

Given your statistical prowess - which is admirably beyond mine - I wonder if our great escape factors in who we play and improvements from e.g. Yeovil ( who seem to be on at least as equal an upward curve)

I feel safer in forming an opinion by looking at the pitch every 2 weeks.

But we are on the same side regardless. Even if your post reminds me of the kind of thing Arthur Scargill used to come out with. Lies, damned kies etc..

And we haven't slowly clawed back owt today. Sadly.

 

Re: Danny is not the Messiah - He's a very Naughty Boy

Over an hour FR, this board aint what it used to be.

 

We were thrashed today, but so were Doncaster (also 5-0) and Blackpool (4-0), while only Yeovil of the now bottom six got any points and they had 3 players sent off in a draw so will miss important games in the run in. Arguably, Millwall had the worst result losing at home even if it was only 1-0. We have not lost any ground on the team in 21st and that is all we need for survival.

We have not clawed anything back today, but neither have we lost any ground.

 

Our goal difference has got a lot worse though, which may prove significant...

 

Not compared to Doncaster or Blackpool. I'll give you the other 3 teams though.

 

It's just 3pts. Another on offer in the next game. Our survival is still in our hands with the game in hand. No time for panic. Bad day at the office. That's what I'm telling myself anyway, got to believe that we can stay up from this position, only 2pts behind. The teams around us are just as poor, worse in some cases, and there are some who are in absolute freefall, Charlton might have problems with so many games to play. Keep the faith.

 

Re: Danny is doing ok - fans get a grip!

Sat in the director's box at Huddersfield today - up to Town scoring we were marginally the better team. Two quick scrappy goals sealed the match for Town, followed by a quick pen a few minutes in to second half. After that it was dire, but 3pts had already gone.

Driving back from the match, and a Barnsley fan on 'de dah heaven' couldn't see where the next win was coming from! Come on lads and girls we are supposed to be fans, lets get a grip. The team needs our support, DW faced a hard task - but since arriving he has made the team more solid and we do look better organised. Flitcroft left a mess; but he deserved his chance.

Lets stop bickering on here and get behind the reds. I know it was disappointing today, but it was only 3 points! Last week we were smiling, lets get positive, because, actually all is not lost - we can still stay up!!:biggrin: