Disillusioned with football

Saw the first half of the England game yesterday, got bored and switched over. A mundane performance from a predictable side and has there ever been a bigger waste of time than Rooney earning a fortune every week?

Then got round to our beloved Barnsley and how the money men have hijacked the game and are now challenging the FFP rules in the court. I wonder what future there is for BFC in this new world of sheiks and oligarchs. I can't help thinking that I have already seen the best teams in a Barnsley shirt that I am ever likely to in my lifetime.

I don't blame anyone at the club for this situation, because I don't think anyone could have done more than they have. I am just fed up with football in general.

 

I agree 100%. The game has been ruined by Sky & the money men. Makes me sick to watch the likes of Rooney made filthy rich while the small clubs struggle just to exist. The outlook for the likes of BFC is indeed bleak.

 

And theirs millions more just like ya, I've been thinking of packing in watching Barnsley and spending money on following darts & boxing up and down the country instead few weekends watching boxing in Scotland and at the York hall London, week in Blackpool for darts, and so on but no matter how ***** it's been last few seasons I just can't jump ship I keep going

 

You've done well to only just get disillusioned with it because i've been for years now. Football is still my favourite sport but I don't like it as much as I used to.

 

I didn't even realise they were playing until half way through the first half.

 

I'm a bit fed up of people blaming sky for all of footballs problems. If it wasnt sky it would be someone else... BT are trying currently.

I've got a season ticket and enjoy going to the home games / odd away game. I then really enjoy watching other games on sky from time to time. This wasnt possible "back in the day"

The main people that are allowing this to happen are the fat cats at the FA, UEFA and FIFA. They are the ones allowing this to happen. They are the ones allowing kick off times to be changed, giving in to player demands etc. etc. Also the clubs.... they get SOOO much money from sky now that they could actually charge £5 for top flight football and still make a fortune if run correctly and with THIER supporters interests at heart. Think about it, get the sky money, play players good wages and still allow fans to attend for a reasonable price.

I think OUR club is trying to do things the right way. But until someone at the FA growns a pair, and also if clubs going into admin actually had to pay the proper amounts back and were liquated (they would happen in any other business!) then nothing will change. The people in charge at the FA have never kicked a ball in their lifes and really don't care.

 

I've done some work for the FA over the last 18 months and although a lot of people I've dealt with although alien to me in terms of class and attitude. They were all very committed individuals with a lot of passion for football. Their main problem is being in hock to the money men of the Premiershit and Sky. And the greed of the players. It's ok saying grow a pair but they are dealing with far more powerful and financially muscular organisations.

If you look at our level the league has introduced FFP to try and make clubs be more financially responsible. They have been attacked by the money men in our league who threaten legal action despite agreements being made on a democratic basis and they have already had to give in to the Premiershit clubs who threatened to take their ball home if the fines accrued by transgressing clubs were distributed to the other clubs as originally intended.

Love Barnsley Hate Football

 

Love Barnsley Hate Football.

 

Fair enough....

another question then, and I don't know the answer to this. Or expect you to know.... but why are football clubs that are living beyond their means and in debt allowed to pay back a measly 2p in the £1 when in admin. Or similar.

This actually destroys other smaller companies in the process (suppliers) maybe football clubs will start living to their means if they are made to be accountable by someone? I know this is nothing to do with the FA or sky but surely this has to stop.

 

The Premiership has just been fuelled by greed and has spiralled out of control in it's dominance of the game. We were told it would benefit the England team in the long run but it has in fact suffered. We were World Cup semi finalists in 1990 before the inception of the PL and Euro semi-finalists in 1996 when it was in it's infancy. What have we achieved since........diddly squat.
Greatest league in the world.....my arse.
For the PL players and money men, yes, for the average football fan, no.

 

It's company law rather than exclusive to football. The thing that compounds it in football is the ridiculous 'football creditors rule' which the governing bodies insist on. All football related creditors have to be paid in full which leaves next to nothing for normal creditors. It sucks, as does most of modern football.

 

It certainly doesn't feel like a world cup year.

 

Soooo, sky bid to show the FA's premier league games. The FA turn round and say "no, we think you're ruining our beautiful game. Let the BBC show it for half the price"

Oh no. The FA say "thanks, Manchester united and Manchester city really need this cash the poor souls" and pass it on to premier league clubs to spend how they like (also take a cut for building Wembley and charge so much for international games that thousands of football fans will never be able to attend a national game, also doing away with moving international games around the country that worked really well). The premier league clubs then blow it however they see fit. This is their prerogative.

In my eyes the FA could - put a limit on how much football clubs charge supporters. I.e. "we're going to give you x amount of pounds for being in the premier league on the proviso that you limit your ticket prices to x"

- Take points off any club that reports a debt (if a club has a benefactor, so what. As long as the club is not in debt they can do what they want. if the benefactor wants to plough money into the game then fair enough... but the likes of Bolton that are millions and millions into the red would be deducted points. Meaning that the long term future of the club will be considered, instead of gambling with money they don’t have to get back to the premier league. Eventually one of these clubs will go pop and it’s the fans that will be left with nothing…

 

Bolton are millions in debt to Eddie Davies, a benefactor.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25711189

 

me too pretty much, quite often don't bother watching it on telly, totally agree about SKY etc killing it, can't relate to the Prem at all. I honestly think if (god forbid) we folded I'd just stick to watching the odd game on the local park

 

Fair enough then.... i agree completly with the first post in this thread. Football isn't what it used to be, and I'm only 26! However, I don't know how it can be stopped. If a rich bloke wants to throw is money into a club, who are we to say he can't?

 

I really love Barnsley.

I'm not the most loyal fan we've got, but I've done my fair share of away games on weeknights and what-not. My mate and I have our season tickets. He too is very passionate.

I've noticed something, though, and it's me as much as him. Until recently, you'd be able to give me a date, and I could tell you whether we had a fixture, and who it was against. Now, I couldn't tell you who we're playing a week on Saturday.

It isn't Barnsley's fault. It's the conditions we're having to play in, as outlined by others above. There is a solution, and I don't know what I think to it. A year ago I'd have bitten your head off for suggesting it.

There's all the talk about Premiership Two or whatever, which would involve big, failing clubs like Elbows United and the Portsmouth Insolvents being parachuted above their current level, and once the bigger clubs are in place, up goes the drawbridge, and relegation from the second Premiership ceases. Probably, the likes of us, Yeovil, Wigan and Millwall would lose out; the likes of Wolves and the other two would benefit from an accident of history (they come from a city and not a town or, like Millwall, have bigger London clubs around them.)

Without an investor, or without 5000 more fans coming out of thin air, we are what we are. Desperately struggling in this division; or fighting hard to get back into it, only for the cycle to begin again.

I always said that I'd no longer go if Premiership Two happened. Without the theoretical possibility of being able to win the Champions League, why should I keep handing over my money? Of course, we never will win it, but ought not to be excluded from having the chance.

Now, I'm no longer sure. If the game is about money, and we have none, why *should* we even try to compete? Who is surprised when a duel takes place between a man with a sword, and a man with a celery stick, and the first guy wins? It's a borrowed sword, too, with 1,000,000 APR from some far eastern company who have no previous interest in duelling, whereas the man with the celery stick picked it from his own garden.

I could live, I think, with accepting that we're priced out. I don't care who we play, and I don't think anyone else on here does, either. I could live with watching cost-neutral football at a half-decent level while the oil addicts above us play fantasy football. Could anyone else?

 

I think if you're watching football games where the result doesn't matter - ie you aren't trying to get promoted or avoid relegation then it'll eventually die out. What is happening is that for an increasing number of Championship teams, the point of the season is to avoid relegation - which is depressing but it's what is going on, with the odd exceptions every few seasons. It's merely an extension of The Premiership where 'success' is staying in The Prem for all bar about 6/7 teams.

At the minute I'd say it's a 50/50 split in the Championship between teams who have a decent chance of promotion v those who's aim is to stop there. I can only see that balance changing towards fewer teams challenging at the top, and more teams going for survival in the longer term.

Whilst ever The Premier League calls the shots, despite how much The FA and FL might stamp their feet this trend will continue. I can only see Man Utd/City/Scousers/Chelsea going bust to really change the mindset, but whilst ever TV money is the amounts currently, the trend will continue.

 

You're right, actually.

It'd just be a series of glorified friendlies. I didn't think of that!

 

Trouble is mate, that's what's happening at the minute imho. In the Prem for example, Newcastle v Stoke. What's at stake ? And games like that are happening earlier and earlier in the season.