South Yorkshire school takes pork off menu...

Not at all mate. But it's not immigration that's causing that. It's always been the same since Churches set up schools in the early 20th century.

 

My Wife

is in charge of the catering squadron at R.A.F St Athan, S.Wales. It is a ground engineering training base... she has over 400 trainees and about 150 permanent staff to mange the catering for.. as you may expect there are a wide variety of religions. She has to provide choices for all, and not just 1 choice. They make sure the menu clearly shows what the contents are and indicate Hallal etc, they are even ok to special order stuff if needed. The daily allowance per head is just approximately £5:50 that's for 3 meals. The catering squadron does manage to cover all aspects... so why the **** can that school not do the same. I will almost guarantee they will get more per head for the meal costings.

 

I wonder if any of the kids have actually noticed...

or care...

 

the Muslims

is that clear enough... and no that's not racist either, this is a religion we are on about not a race. Muslin, Islaam is followed by many many countries. Yet they seem to get their own way above any other fecker.

 

Leaving Dragon's pathetic responses to one side, when do the beliefs of people who object to how animals are slaughtered for Halal meat start to be considered ?

imho in state schools it'd be one size fits all, with options where needed, not a blanket ban or imposition of one groups beliefs.

 

Re: unless it is for religious reason... you just answered the question

It just reeks of exclusion rather than inclusion on both sides and will guarantee more division and extreme reactions. I'm as liberal as anyone, but even I know an outside group integrates in, rather than every traditional aspect being eradicated for their benefit.

This country eats way too much meat, ban it all together in schools. There is your solution on that particular issue.

 

If it's not right why is this okay ?

 

oh you MEATIST

I bet you vote Green party


bloody Veggies

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/06/reform-of-kosher-and-halal-slaughter-practices

It's so wrong though as this new policy would mean kids have had pork taken away from them and if they don't want to eat halal meat chicken too. Potentially a lot more kids will miss out or end up eating halal meat to appease the minority.

Personally I hope halal meat gets banned in this country

 

I'd agree with all that. It'll come with more animal welfare awareness but it'll be phased. I imagine in a few years Halal meat will be available on most menus alongside 'non'.

If a school had removed sausages and replaced them with chicken because it was cheaper no one would have even noticed.

 

Doubt it, Nick Clegg reckons religious practices take precedence over animal welfare.

 

I have worries over it Kaney TBH

but when it begins to influence other society's then its plain wrong. If the Muslim/Islaamic world want to practise their religion then its their personal choice,. But I find it thoroughly offensive that they try to force it upon others. Jehovah witnesses are the bloody same.

 

Nobody would have cared because then all pupils were being treated the same. They aren't with this, which is why imho it's dangerous to start treating one group as different or a priority over others.

 

Are they being treated as priority or has a decision been made with them as a significant proportion of the school in mind?

I'd rather my kid was eating chicken than cheap sausages at school anyway. The issue here is the method of slaughter (which I disagree with).

Anyroad - it'll all be abart money. Nailed. On.

 

I know why you've done it, because when people are '******* outraged', your natural instinct is defend the decision that causes outrage. Apart from being a good laugh, 95% of the time it turns out to be the right thing to do. A lot of the time the accusation turns out to be complete bollacks, without a shred of truth in it at all. Most of the rest of the time there are far more nuances to it, that the serially offended refuse to think through, and it turns out it is a well thought out plan that prejudices no one and in no way erodes traditional values.

This time, if the report is accurate (we know from their coverage of BFC that is often not the case) then it seems like the wrong decision to me. Nothing to get apoplectic about, but something that certainly needs discussing and the decision reversing. Of course local councils should look after their Muslim tax payers. Providing halal meat has done that. They should also look after the non-Muslim tax payers who enjoy pork which has always been a traditional dish in this country. And namby pamby vegetarians like Mr C (joking mate, my wife is a vegetarian and I cook a vegetarian meal every single day (pain in the chuffing arse)). Muslims choose halal meat, Christians, agnostics, whatevers choose pork or traditionally slaughtered other meats, anyone can choose vegetarian food. No problem for anyone. Apart from the increasingly stressed out cook.

It depends on numbers at the school of course, it's hard to justify halal meat if you have one Muslim child amongst 300, but offering a choice hurts no one, banning nutritious food is bad practice.

 

As it's Infants & Junior schools I would say they're too young to understand about religious slaughter and what it means

 

Policy has been made with one particular group in mind (or so it seems)

If a choice is being maintained then fine, but it looks like it isn't here.

So the next time a group - religious or not, doesn't have their beliefs pandered to, then we know what the headlines will be.

 

I imagine they've done this just so that they can offer 1 meat option, rather than having to provide 2 meat alternatives as well as a veggie option. Is all meat served going to be Halal now?

I don't understand why this would bother anyone - is it going to harm or even bother kids to not have pork in their cooked dinners at school? Chicken, beef, lamb and fish isn't enough meat options?

 

I agree with all that mate but I'm not sure how you can say banning sausages & replacing with chicken or similar removes nutritious food? In fact, it's probably even better for the kids. The issue is whether we should force meat that is slaughtered in a certain way on to our kids because that's how one group believe how animals should be slaughtered. The next question will be whether we should feed children free range & organic foods only. I think we should but again, there's a cost to it un

Anyroad, there should be a choice - I agree. What I don't agree with is the immediate reaction of some on here which is what I was trying to challenge and probably failed.

Like I've said, I wonder how much of this has come down to potential costs (we both know how tight schools are being at the minute).

 

I think it's all about votes, the Muslim population is growing because they have bigger families and Councils are making sure they keep the Muslim vote which because it is a block vote (Muslim elders decide who everyone should vote for) is more important than the non-Muslim vote.