I don't know what his PPG was tbh, but I would rather have 1.2 PPG in the Championship than 1.6 PPG in League One. It's hard to judge a manager of a championship team against a League 1 or 2 manager in our history. Stats can be manipulated in both directions.
Obviously he will be met with the sight of Whitey`s bare arse 10 yards darn the touch line inviting Keefy right on in.
You can bend any statistic to fit your opinion. For example, Keith's win percentage in his one and a half seasons here was around 25%. Danny's win percentage in his last season and a half as Barnsley manager is around 15%. He's set for successive relegations. See what I did there? I used a fact, and bent it to fit my needs. I'm obviously not criticising Danny, because he's my favourite BFC manager, and the man I wanted here in December. I could defend him all night. I love the bloke. But the above statistic makes him look ***** doesn't it, without the context? Just as it's so damn easy for all you Keith haters to ignore context when quoting your own bent statistics. Is the archive back in working order on here? I wouldn't mind bumping a few threads. You know, the ones where we'd beaten Brum 5-0 away, and sat mid table, where folk were going potty about how great Keith was and that if a takeover meant Keith was removed that they'd stop attending Oakwell. Funny how nobody was talking about the ***** year of 2012 then. But roll on 18 games and three months, and he's the worst manager ever. Aye, oreight. He failed, as have many, and, as is Danny right now no matter how many excuses folk keep making for him (including myself). Keith had two runs of 18 games where we won just two games. The second run cost him. I'm not sure without looking, but Flicker probably got the sack after about 18 games and just two wins. How many games has Danny had now? He's won three though, to be fair. But just an 18% win ratio. Folk like Danny. The man, not just the manager. They've got time for him. Despite him jumping ship to Wednesday and then managing the Blunts. Barnsley supporters like Danny Wilson. It's helping him. You can't argue with that. Any 'outside' new manager taking over in December and overseeing the results Danny has, would be getting torn to shreds on here by now. For lots of reasons. Folk didn't like Keith. The man. It didn't help. Enough bait laid there for a few responses. I aim to please/spark debate. You little basterd reds.
I'll bite because I'm bored. Aye but before his last season season Danny's record was good whereas Keith was always crap. Keith is both a whinger and a failure which is a fairly lethal combination. He had more backing than the majority of managers in my lifetime but whined like a little bitch about it. The Barnsley job is a hard one but Keith is clueless at Cgampionship level. His only ideas - do they play for Rochdale, have they ever played for Rochdale, have they played against Rochdale sign em up. It's not about statistics results are what you are evaluated on over the period of your management in football or any other type of business and Hill's were worse than any other manager in 126 years - still even the worst are best at summat I suppose. People mistake being a ****** for a 'character'. But the. Again to quote Mark Thomas all characters are cnuts
A good one from me, obviously, I'm firmly in Whiteys camp as you well know when it comes to the King. I'll never forget that swagger, interviews, dress sense and when he strolled out and sat in dugout 10mins before kickoff against Leeds knowing in his own mind "team talk sorted, we will dismantle these today". Unreal performance Headed off over pennies that afternoon for a NYE celebration with a tyke mate in Manchester, we sang along in the New Years early minutes to Dancing In The Dark "can't start a fire can't start a fire without Keith Hill" I was sure were going places, we'd finally found our budget Mourinho, the buzz was back and there wasn't a tyke on earth that evening that wasn't toasting big Keef and his team he was assembling. I think back to that January every time we have a bad result or run and think what might have been, I'm sure a playoff charge falling just short in 8th or 9th was on cards Lol
Keith Hill isn't a failure. He might have "failed" at Barnsley, but he's still a very good manager in the bottom two divisions. Those are facts that can't be argued. And at this very moment in time he's assembled a squad that would not only hold its own in the division above but, with a couple of additions, be able to win enough games to stay in the Championship. Seriously. And as some will know, if we're **** I'll say so.
Davies (Free). Vaz Te (Free). Drinkwater (Man U). Perkins (Colchester). Addison (Derby). Edwards (Blackpool). McNulty (Brighton). Done and Wiseman (Rochdale). They were the players added to the squad when he arrived. Cost him about 300k. He'd had to sell Shackell straight away, for at least twice that figure. He added one or two other loanees who weren't up to much, but by January we were summat like 13 points clear of the bottom three. He then saw his side dismantled by injury, and transfers. And what did the board do? Gave him a bit of the Vaz and Haynes money to recruit Golbourne, Dagnall and Dawson. One of those has since left for around 500k allegedly, and will be a second tier left back next season. He also gave Butterfield the run he needed in his proper position. We made 700k on him. Would have been £2m if not for lovely person Brown. Davies went for 300k. He gave Stones his chance, we made £3m on him. So I'm not sure who all the Rochdale players are you refer to. Unless we're including Etuhu who played there on loan, and Button similarly. Perhaps Higginbotham? I'll give you Kennedy though. But it took Keith a couple of weeks to realise he was ****. And, it was Flicker who brought him in. Mates rates and all that. If we add Lee Collins (50k) to his recruits, that means Keith spent on transfers well under £1m. And made us at least £4m. Signing, and developing players before selling them on was part of his remit. As well as nurturing our own standout youth talent. He was a huge success on that score, surely even the biggest Keith hater has to accept that? As for results, like I say, you're ignoring context. He's the only manager since we returned to this level that in my opinion built us a side that had me believing we could potentially nick a playoff spot. That side was a joy to watch, the best since Bassett's Millennium campaign. With a bit of luck, and a bit of backing from the board I reckon we'd have seen things pan out differently. But I won't deny the reality was awful, and our football and results desperate to say the least. I don't fault any of us for wanting shut of him. And the turnaround charged by Flicker made Keith look even worse. But then Flicker too imploded. Surely it can't be that every manager we've employed since returning to this level are ****? They've all been dispensed with. And for what progress? How have we improved in that period? We haven't. We're now much worse off. And only Keith fulfilled his remit of keeping us up and playing kids, and developing saleable assets. In my opinion. I hope Danny is the man that this owner/board finally stick with, rain or shine. Same goes for us the supporters. I feel quite disappointed in myself for eventually caving in and joining the chorus asking for Keith's removal in December 2012. What he's doing once again at Rochdale is nothing short of remarkable. They'll be more likely to gain a second tier promotion than we will next season. The above is not me suggesting he was fantastic as BFC manager. It's me saying he doesn't deserve (in my opinion) the stick he still gets to this day, and is me disagreeing with the majority in this thread who can't wait by the looks of it to give him dogs abuse once again should we be playing Dale next season in the division below.
He only had one season in div 1 , not enough to form an opinion imo. He is a very good div 2 manager I'll concede that
He had one full season in the Chapionship, not enough to form an opinion. Except it clearly is. He adapted not only the squad but our tactics during that season in L1, if he stays longer this time he might do even better. Tactically, he's streets ahead of a lot of managers.