Wilson has no bottle.

We got to the last 20 minutes of that game at 0-0 and he was satisfied with the point. He seemed reluctant to make any substitutions at all despite Woods being woeful. With 20 minutes of that game left we should have been throwing on Proschwitz and an attacking midfield player (Paddy for me).

There just seems to be no desire from the management downwards to go out and actually win a game. The tactic every time seems to be ''right lads' lets get at them but keep it tight, if we get to half time at 0-0 then we've done well. We've then got a 20 minute period to get a goal, if we dont we'll take a 0-0.''

In most cases we fail to make it to half time and at this point heads drop and we never look like being in the game again (Huddersfield, Wigan, Leicster, Watford).

For me Wilsons performance so far has been abysmal. His approach seems so old fashioned. He makes like for like substitutions and the timings of them are often baffling. His motivational skills arent having any effect whatsoever. I do feel for him because he's inherited a team of average-poor players with no confidence or desire whatsoever. However its his job to lift them and bring the best out of them. Its not impossible, we saw Flicker do it last year. Those who think Wilson has performed well so far are completely deluded.

 

I don't believe he's done well. But I do back him, I do believe he will improve things at our club and we'll be a better club with him as opposed to without him. If that makes me deluded, so be it.

 

Cywka was brought on at half time.

Had we done that we'd have played the last 10 minutes with 10 men after Ramage went off injured. I don't know how sensible it is to use all your subs with 20 minutes to go when you know your key centre half is nursing a hamstring injury. With 15 minutes to go he did take off Woods and he did bring on an attacking midfield player in Mellis.

When Davey was manager, whenever we were chasing the game, his substitution of choice was to go with three up front. He did it time and time again. I can't remember it ever working. In fact, from being well in the game we tended to lose out in midfield and create nothing from that point forward.

 

If Wilson made that change for anything other than injury it was a terrible decision. Like for like (as usual) and it meant our main attacking threat on the day had to drop into right back. I presume Hunt was injured though which is the only reason the change was made anyway.

Mellis came on way too late. Woods was abysmal all match and should have been of after 60 minutes.

Davey kept us in the league for 3 years with that tactic.

 

I agree with everything you say.
I'm sure the majority on here are aware he has not had the desired effect on the team we all hoped for.
As to his future, he has my backing to the seasons end, but beyond that IMO Wilson is not the manager to take us forward.

 

Did he? I thought our inability to come from behind under Davey was legendary. That is, you might as well have gone home after we conceded a goal because you knew we were going to lose. It was one of the biggest criticisms levelled at him during his tenure.

 

Why are you even talking about Simon Davey? I've given what I feel is a fair assessment of how Wilson performed yesterday and in previous matches. You just seem to be determined to pull to pieces what I've said and aren't really making any valid points in doing so.

 

I made a number of valid points.

You said Wilson "seemed reluctant to make any substitutions at all". I pointed out that Cwyka was brought on at the start of the second half. That is a valid point.

Yous said "With 20 minutes of that game left we should have been throwing on Proschwitz and an attacking midfield player." I said that would have left us with only 10 men for the last 10 minutes of the game. That is a valid point. He also brought on an attacking midfielder in Mellis, another valid point.

You're more than welcome to put up a point of view and open it up for debate, but if you do so then some people are going to disagree with you. If you can't accept that then don't post a point of view. You're more than entitled to disagree with me, but don't get munk on because I disagree with you.

The reason I'm talking about Simon Davey is that you suggested a tactic that he used very often. I used him as an example of how that tactic failed time and time again. Another valid point. Then you suggested that this tactic saved us from relegation, which it did not, it was one of the reasons we came so close to relegation throughout Davey's career.

 

but don't get munk on because I disagree with you

Brilliant, not heard that for ages.

 

Mellis was brought on too late.

We lost the game despite Wilson saving a substitution to replace Ramage. We could have even been 1 up before Ramage had to leave the field if positive substitutions had been made earlier.

Wilsons decisions are failing to pick us up enough points so I dont really see what you're trying to argue about.

 

Chris your right.

If he needs to make any changes then we are royally fecked

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What changes would you have made HT?

 

Simon Davey had three years. Can't say any more really.

 

Not in his first season. He had about a month longer than Wilson has had.

 

It takes at least two people to argue mate, by its very definition. You seem to want your views to go unchallenged. If that's how it is then I won't bother you in future, but imho it's an odd way to use a discussion forum.

The reason I'm putting an alternative view point forward is that I don't agree that had we done things your way everything would be hunky dory. I don't think we lost yesterday because of the substitutions. I don't think our manager lacks bottle. I like our manager and I support him so I will stand up for him when he's not here to do so for himself. I think there is every likelihood that had we done things your way we may well have lost by more goals. Not definitely, that's just my opinion. I think the problems at the club lie much deeper than the substitutions. I think that the notion many people have that they could sort out what is wrong by a bit of tinkering is pie in the sky. I think Danny Wilson knows more about football then me, you or anyone else who uses this forum. That doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss the team, the formation and what we would do, but it does mean that when we do that others should be allowed to disagree and it doesn't mean what any of us say is right.

 

Im not saying dont disagree with me. I just said make valid points. When we're losing games I cant see how you can suggest Wilson is making the right decisions.

Yesterday wasn't the only time he has made what in my opinion has been a poor substitution. The worst one he has made was bringing Brek Shea on against Huddersfield.

 

The points hes making Jay aren't just from yestersay it's in almost every game hes been back.

 

Like Jay says rolling the dices yesterday knowing Ramage had an injury would have left us with 10 players for the last mins, if we had conceded in that time you would have given him stick for using all his subs!


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Easy to be wise after the event. It even allows you to decide he was wrong despite it meaning we'd have had 10 men.

If players had stuck easy chances away we wouldnt even be discussing Wilson's tactics.

 

Because I think we're losing games due to the lack of quality in the team, not the substitutions Wilson is making. I believe we lost yesterday because Woods failed to convert the open net in the first half, Pedersen failed to hit the target with his two chances in the second, one of them a real guilt edged chance, and the referee failed to award what was a nailed on penalty. Bournemouth had their chances too, but our 'keeper saved them. They can't say they could have done more, they did the best they could but we stopped them. We ****** up our chances all on our own without any intervention from the opposition so we can blame ourselves.

I've seen plenty from our attacking midfield players this year - Mellis, Cwyka and McCourt. I've seen all of them create and score goals. But, and here's the crux of the matter, I've seen them cost us goals far more often by giving the ball away or losing it when in possession. Everyone has been crying out for Cywka to play. He got 45 minutes yesterday and did nothing, so consequently no one has mentioned him in their reports. It's as though they've forgotten they were demanding he should be in the side. Personally I'm a big fan of McCourt, but Flicker played him all the time and we still lost just as often. The one attacking midfield player that has both work rate and skill is Jennings and Wilson plays him every week. I don't believe the substitutions you have proposed would have made us a better team more likely to win. I don't believe the substitutions Wilson made cost us the game, so consequently I don't believe his decisions are wrong.

We're in this mess because for years we've relied on loan players rather than building a squad. We're in this mess because in the summer we offered contracts to the likes of McNulty and Kennedy rather than bringing in any quality. We're in this mess because for years we've under valued our players or allowed them release clauses in their contracts and sold them for cut down prices.

We're not in this mess because of the subs our manager has been making, who has basically been attempting to put out fires after taking over in what was an almost impossible situation, trying to patch together a side on a few loan signing and couple of permanents who no one else wanted.

I believe that together Ben Mansford and Danny Wilson are capable of turning around years and years of mismanagement. What I don't believe is they can do it overnight. I believe we should support them rather than criticise them and understand that there has been something fundamentally wrong at our club for a long time that can't be fixed by subbing on players who **** things up as much as they get things right.

Criticism soon leads to calls for the managers head and that's the last thing we need right now. More than likely we'll go down, imho that would have been the case even if we'd brought in Alex Ferguson such is the sorry state of the squad. Danny has had little effect in preventing the slide, but I simply don't know who could have stopped it. What I do know is that Danny Wilson has taken Bristol City to third spot twice, Sheff United to third place and another nailed on play-off spot before he was inexplicably sacked and Swindon to a play-off place, all in the division below. Why would we want to get rid of a manager with so much knowledge and so much success in league 1?

If we continue to blame him for the mess we're in, rather than acknowledge it just isn't his fault, we may drive away a manager who could lead this club back to being something special again. Sometimes, as many clubs have proved in the recent past, you need to take a backwards step to move forward.