Wilson has no bottle.

barnsley66 · Mar 23, 2014

redarmychris said: ↑

We could have even been 1 up before Ramage had to leave the field if positive substitutions had been made .
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That is just guess work. If positive substitutions had been made we could have been 2 or 3 down. If Steele hadn't been on form we could have been 2or 3 down by half time.

And what has Mellis done to even suggest he could make a difference?

Django · Mar 23, 2014

redarmychris said: ↑

We got to the last 20 minutes of that game at 0-0 and he was satisfied with the point. He seemed reluctant to make any substitutions at all despite Woods being woeful. With 20 minutes of that game left we should have been throwing on Proschwitz and an attacking midfield player (Paddy for me).

There just seems to be no desire from the management downwards to go out and actually win a game. The tactic every time seems to be ''right lads' lets get at them but keep it tight, if we get to half time at 0-0 then we've done well. We've then got a 20 minute period to get a goal, if we dont we'll take a 0-0.''

In most cases we fail to make it to half time and at this point heads drop and we never look like being in the game again (Huddersfield, Wigan, Leicster, Watford).

For me Wilsons performance so far has been abysmal. His approach seems so old fashioned. He makes like for like substitutions and the timings of them are often baffling. His motivational skills arent having any effect whatsoever. I do feel for him because he's inherited a team of average-poor players with no confidence or desire whatsoever. However its his job to lift them and bring the best out of them. Its not impossible, we saw Flicker do it last year. Those who think Wilson has performed well so far are completely deluded.
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He made 2 attacking subs to go for the win & had to keep one in reserve for in case Ramage pulled up which he had to use.

There's plenty of reasons to criticise Wilson this isn't one of them

redarmychris · Mar 23, 2014

Django said: ↑

He made 2 attacking subs to go for the win & had to keep one in reserve for in case Ramage pulled up which he had to use.

There's plenty of reasons to criticise Wilson this isn't one of them
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He made a like for like substitution at half time. He brought Mellis on 15 minutes too late.

roytheboy · Mar 23, 2014

Jay said: ↑

Because I think we're losing games due to the lack of quality in the team, not the substitutions Wilson is making. I believe we lost yesterday because Woods failed to convert the open net in the first half, Pedersen failed to hit the target with his two chances in the second, one of them a real guilt edged chance, and the referee failed to award what was a nailed on penalty. Bournemouth had their chances too, but our 'keeper saved them. They can't say they could have done more, they did the best they could but we stopped them. We ****** up our chances all on our own without any intervention from the opposition so we can blame ourselves.
That's one terrific post with which I wholeheartedly agree.

I've seen plenty from our attacking midfield players this year - Mellis, Cwyka and McCourt. I've seen all of them create and score goals. But, and here's the crux of the matter, I've seen them cost us goals far more often by giving the ball away or losing it when in possession. Everyone has been crying out for Cywka to play. He got 45 minutes yesterday and did nothing, so consequently no one has mentioned him in their reports. It's as though they've forgotten they were demanding he should be in the side. Personally I'm a big fan of McCourt, but Flicker played him all the time and we still lost just as often. The one attacking midfield player that has both work rate and skill is Jennings and Wilson plays him every week. I don't believe the substitutions you have proposed would have made us a better team more likely to win. I don't believe the substitutions Wilson made cost us the game, so consequently I don't believe his decisions are wrong.

We're in this mess because for years we've relied on loan players rather than building a squad. We're in this mess because in the summer we offered contracts to the likes of McNulty and Kennedy rather than bringing in any quality. We're in this mess because for years we've under valued our players or allowed them release clauses in their contracts and sold them for cut down prices.

We're not in this mess because of the subs our manager has been making, who has basically been attempting to put out fires after taking over in what was an almost impossible situation, trying to patch together a side on a few loan signing and couple of permanents who no one else wanted.

I believe that together Ben Mansford and Danny Wilson are capable of turning around years and years of mismanagement. What I don't believe is they can do it overnight. I believe we should support them rather than criticise them and understand that there has been something fundamentally wrong at our club for a long time that can't be fixed by subbing on players who **** things up as much as they get things right.

Criticism soon leads to calls for the managers head and that's the last thing we need right now. More than likely we'll go down, imho that would have been the case even if we'd brought in Alex Ferguson such is the sorry state of the squad. Danny has had little effect in preventing the slide, but I simply don't know who could have stopped it. What I do know is that Danny Wilson has taken Bristol City to third spot twice, Sheff United to third place and another nailed on play-off spot before he was inexplicably sacked and Swindon to a play-off place, all in the division below. Why would we want to get rid of a manager with so much knowledge and so much success in league 1?

If we continue to blame him for the mess we're in, rather than acknowledge it just isn't his fault, we may drive away a manager who could lead this club back to being something special again. Sometimes, as many clubs have proved in the recent past, you need to take a backwards step to move forward.
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Well said that man

MarioKempes · Mar 23, 2014

JLWBigLil said: ↑

I don't believe he's done well. But I do back him, I do believe he will improve things at our club and we'll be a better club with him as opposed to without him. If that makes me deluded, so be it.
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Then I guess I am deluded too because I agree.

JLWBigLil · Mar 23, 2014

MarioKempes said: ↑

Then I guess I am deluded too because I agree.
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We can be in the Wrinkly branch of the Deluded Clique, old mate!

MarioKempes · Mar 23, 2014

JLWBigLil said: ↑

We can be in the Wrinkly branch of the Deluded Clique, old mate!
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As long as we don't have to wear Lycra I'm in. I would have got away with it once, many years ago, but not anymore

JLWBigLil · Mar 23, 2014

MarioKempes said: ↑

As long as we don't have to wear Lycra I'm in. I would have got away with it once, many years ago, but not anymore
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That seems fair.

nezbfc · Mar 23, 2014

Jay said: ↑

Because I think we're losing games due to the lack of quality in the team, not the substitutions Wilson is making. I believe we lost yesterday because Woods failed to convert the open net in the first half, Pedersen failed to hit the target with his two chances in the second, one of them a real guilt edged chance, and the referee failed to award what was a nailed on penalty. Bournemouth had their chances too, but our 'keeper saved them. They can't say they could have done more, they did the best they could but we stopped them. We ****** up our chances all on our own without any intervention from the opposition so we can blame ourselves.

I've seen plenty from our attacking midfield players this year - Mellis, Cwyka and McCourt. I've seen all of them create and score goals. But, and here's the crux of the matter, I've seen them cost us goals far more often by giving the ball away or losing it when in possession. Everyone has been crying out for Cywka to play. He got 45 minutes yesterday and did nothing, so consequently no one has mentioned him in their reports. It's as though they've forgotten they were demanding he should be in the side. Personally I'm a big fan of McCourt, but Flicker played him all the time and we still lost just as often. The one attacking midfield player that has both work rate and skill is Jennings and Wilson plays him every week. I don't believe the substitutions you have proposed would have made us a better team more likely to win. I don't believe the substitutions Wilson made cost us the game, so consequently I don't believe his decisions are wrong.

We're in this mess because for years we've relied on loan players rather than building a squad. We're in this mess because in the summer we offered contracts to the likes of McNulty and Kennedy rather than bringing in any quality. We're in this mess because for years we've under valued our players or allowed them release clauses in their contracts and sold them for cut down prices.

We're not in this mess because of the subs our manager has been making, who has basically been attempting to put out fires after taking over in what was an almost impossible situation, trying to patch together a side on a few loan signing and couple of permanents who no one else wanted.

I believe that together Ben Mansford and Danny Wilson are capable of turning around years and years of mismanagement. What I don't believe is they can do it overnight. I believe we should support them rather than criticise them and understand that there has been something fundamentally wrong at our club for a long time that can't be fixed by subbing on players who **** things up as much as they get things right.

Criticism soon leads to calls for the managers head and that's the last thing we need right now. More than likely we'll go down, imho that would have been the case even if we'd brought in Alex Ferguson such is the sorry state of the squad. Danny has had little effect in preventing the slide, but I simply don't know who could have stopped it. What I do know is that Danny Wilson has taken Bristol City to third spot twice, Sheff United to third place and another nailed on play-off spot before he was inexplicably sacked and Swindon to a play-off place, all in the division below. Why would we want to get rid of a manager with so much knowledge and so much success in league 1?

If we continue to blame him for the mess we're in, rather than acknowledge it just isn't his fault, we may drive away a manager who could lead this club back to being something special again. Sometimes, as many clubs have proved in the recent past, you need to take a backwards step to move forward.
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This ought to be made a permanent sticky. Also printing off and posting to the club.

*round of applause*

madmark62 · Mar 23, 2014

redarmychris said: ↑

He made a like for like substitution at half time. He brought Mellis on 15 minutes too late.
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How did he make a like for like substitution ? He took off a fullback and brought on an attacking winger! One that people have been moaning about not playing, yet again when he does play he is ineffectual ! So while I agree that they didnt work out, I disagree with your argument, but that is not what you want to hear !

DSLRed · Mar 23, 2014

Jay said: ↑

Because I think we're losing games due to the lack of quality in the team, not the substitutions Wilson is making. I believe we lost yesterday because Woods failed to convert the open net in the first half, Pedersen failed to hit the target with his two chances in the second, one of them a real guilt edged chance, and the referee failed to award what was a nailed on penalty. Bournemouth had their chances too, but our 'keeper saved them. They can't say they could have done more, they did the best they could but we stopped them. We ****** up our chances all on our own without any intervention from the opposition so we can blame ourselves.

I've seen plenty from our attacking midfield players this year - Mellis, Cwyka and McCourt. I've seen all of them create and score goals. But, and here's the crux of the matter, I've seen them cost us goals far more often by giving the ball away or losing it when in possession. Everyone has been crying out for Cywka to play. He got 45 minutes yesterday and did nothing, so consequently no one has mentioned him in their reports. It's as though they've forgotten they were demanding he should be in the side. Personally I'm a big fan of McCourt, but Flicker played him all the time and we still lost just as often. The one attacking midfield player that has both work rate and skill is Jennings and Wilson plays him every week. I don't believe the substitutions you have proposed would have made us a better team more likely to win. I don't believe the substitutions Wilson made cost us the game, so consequently I don't believe his decisions are wrong.

We're in this mess because for years we've relied on loan players rather than building a squad. We're in this mess because in the summer we offered contracts to the likes of McNulty and Kennedy rather than bringing in any quality. We're in this mess because for years we've under valued our players or allowed them release clauses in their contracts and sold them for cut down prices.

We're not in this mess because of the subs our manager has been making, who has basically been attempting to put out fires after taking over in what was an almost impossible situation, trying to patch together a side on a few loan signing and couple of permanents who no one else wanted.

I believe that together Ben Mansford and Danny Wilson are capable of turning around years and years of mismanagement. What I don't believe is they can do it overnight. I believe we should support them rather than criticise them and understand that there has been something fundamentally wrong at our club for a long time that can't be fixed by subbing on players who **** things up as much as they get things right.

Criticism soon leads to calls for the managers head and that's the last thing we need right now. More than likely we'll go down, imho that would have been the case even if we'd brought in Alex Ferguson such is the sorry state of the squad. Danny has had little effect in preventing the slide, but I simply don't know who could have stopped it. What I do know is that Danny Wilson has taken Bristol City to third spot twice, Sheff United to third place and another nailed on play-off spot before he was inexplicably sacked and Swindon to a play-off place, all in the division below. Why would we want to get rid of a manager with so much knowledge and so much success in league 1?

If we continue to blame him for the mess we're in, rather than acknowledge it just isn't his fault, we may drive away a manager who could lead this club back to being something special again. Sometimes, as many clubs have proved in the recent past, you need to take a backwards step to move forward.
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Amen! I agree with every single word of that, totally.

I am really worried that some people's inability to think medium to long term is going to cost us the best manager we could hope to attract in the next few years. I just wish the club would get on with it and offer him a long term contract now. That way, any of the wasters who think they can toss it off for a few more weeks and see him off will realise that they need to pull their fingers out of their arse and work to prove they deserve to stay here.

Dr Zazlos · Mar 23, 2014

madmark62 said: ↑

How did he make a like for like substitution ? He took off a fullback and brought on an attacking winger! One that people have been moaning about not playing, yet again when he does play he is ineffectual ! So while I agree that they didnt work out, I disagree with your argument, but that is not what you want to hear !
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At the end of the day redarmychris's original post has hit the nail well and truly on the head.
As regards for the deluded fans even the most avid Wilson fans probably accept that things have not worked out as well all hoped.

Redstar · Mar 23, 2014

Dr Zazlos said: ↑

At the end of the day redarmychris's original post has hit the nail well and truly on the head. As regards for the deluded fans even the most avid Wilson fans probably accept that things have not worked out as well all hoped.
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No they haven't but to consider getting shut because he hasn't rescued our disaster of a season and not give him longer to build a side is barmy

madmark62 · Mar 23, 2014

Dr Zazlos said: ↑

At the end of the day redarmychris's original post has hit the nail well and truly on the head.
As regards for the deluded fans even the most avid Wilson fans probably accept that things have not worked out as well all hoped.
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Nope , I dont see it like that, but then again I am not one of those that never wanted him here in the first place ! If you didnt want him , then all you will see is a disappointment and a vindication of your viewpoint. Not that the squad of players he inherited was a bag of cack and although he has signed some players, they have not been the ones he would want if he had a pre-season to work with .

Dr Zazlos · Mar 23, 2014

Redstar said: ↑

No they haven't but to consider getting shut because he hasn't rescued our disaster of a season and not give him longer to build a side is barmy
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I never expected for him to rescue our season with what he inherited, but i would have expected some sort of improvement.
My youngest son ( Sadly a Sheff U Fan ) warned me what his tactical approach would be and he was spot on.
I'm a season ticket holder but won't renew i'm afraid if he is still in charge.
I will pick and choose which games I attend and will always support Barnsley as I have in the last 37 years.
I will not be the only one who won't renew with Wilson at the helm.

nezbfc · Mar 23, 2014

Dr Zazlos said: ↑

I never expected for him to rescue our season with what he inherited, but i would have expected some sort of improvement.
My youngest son ( Sadly a Sheff U Fan ) warned me what his tactical approach would be and he was spot on.
I'm a season ticket holder but won't renew i'm afraid if he is still in charge.
I will pick and choose which games I attend and will always support Barnsley as I have in the last 37 years.
I will not be the only one who won't renew with Wilson at the helm.
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Summats not right here.

Your son warned you about his tactics. But you have supported us for 37 years.

You not remember him being in charge last time and his tactics then....

Whitey · Mar 23, 2014

How have you managed to raise a Sheffield United supporter? I'm intrigued.

DSLRed · Mar 23, 2014

Dr Zazlos said: ↑

I will not be the only one who won't renew with Wilson at the helm.
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I suspect that there will be a good deal more who wont renew if Wilson is NOT at the helm. Myself included.

nezbfc · Mar 23, 2014

DSLRed said: ↑

I suspect that there will be a good deal more who wont renew if Wilson is NOT at the helm. Myself included.
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I find this more believable

Django · Mar 23, 2014

redarmychris said: ↑

He made a like for like substitution at half time. He brought Mellis on 15 minutes too late.
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No he didn't.

Cwyka's more attack minded than Hunt & Mellis more than Woods

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