Anyone who thinks differently knows nothing of the history of our club. Typical Sky generation of fans looking to blame blame blame without intelligence or the ability to make a coherent argument. Daft kids who know little about life or football. Let's sack another manager. Great plan. No one wanted Wilson. Hmmm I think quite a large percentage do and did. We are not getting relegated because Danny is tactically inept or because he made poor signings in January we are getting relegated after many years of underinvestment. Danny inherited an incredibly poor team. He tried to change things in January and signings were too rushed as a result we have little quality in midfield so often resort to hoofball. It's very wearying this constant attacks on our team and our club. A friend of mine died on Saturday after a long illness. One of the things that he had wanted to do was make a last visit to Oakwell to see a team managed by a true Oakwell hero we had arranged for him to do so for the QPR match all these senseless attacks on Wilson are attacks on our club it's very fabric and blokes like Chris who would have given anything to support his team once more. This should be a forum for fans to come together and win and lose together. Unfortunately it's monopolised by the attention seeking and bad spelling of a few people who I presume would be happier supporting Man U or sitting on the sofa watching Sky tele from their sofa than supporting a small town club. But in the meantime I think I will join the many others who think it's not worth the hassle of contributing anymore.
Danny has made a few mistakes and has contributed to our relegation in my opinion but his contribution has been small in comparison to other protagonists so he should definitely stay.
It's not getting relegated which has annoyed me more, it's how we've played since he's came in and the lack of any attacking intent. Been so dour and negative from the start. Even s**t teams have a go. Just don't think under Wilson we've set up to win a game and that what annoys me when I've paid money to see the dour football he serves up. And to top it if he thinks we played well today. Going down with a fight I could take like last season. But when I think we could have done a lot better.
The blame has to lay firmly with Flitcroft, he was backed to the hilt earlier in the season and completely got it wrong....Mick f**king Pollit?!?!
There is no denying the fact that Danny was one of our best ever managers, 16 years ago. Unfortunately times have changed, football and the championship is different now. Apart from his success with us all them years ago, Danny has no experience of managing in this league and it shows. We were never already relegated when Flitcroft was sacked, and that's why we sacked him, because we still had a great chance of staying up, and we have had countless opportunities to really pull away from the bottom 3, or drag ourselves out, but Danny has been a big failure, more so than Flicker. So yes, we are getting relegated because Danny is tactically inept, which has been evident for a while now and yes we are getting relegated because of Danny's bad signings, and yes we are getting relegated because Flitcroft ALSO played a part by ALSO being tactically inept AND making bad signings. In actual fact the signings over the season haven't been bad, we have bought some good players in, but we have failed to MANAGE them correctly. In my opinion we have a better and more talented bunch of players than some teams in the Championship. Sorry to hear about your friend.
As Whitey has said on a other thread the games we needed to win Yeovil, Charlton, Wednesday and Donny were already gone by the time Danny got here. We aren't relegated because we couldn't beat Burnley and Leicester at home. We have no quality in midfield which limits our tactics. In the games against the other relegation candidates we have done very well under Danny.
Great post that JC! It's been coming for years. I'll state now that dependant who comes up/down this seasons end that the bottom 6 will consist of at least any of these..... Millwall, Donny, Us, Brentford, Charlton, Bournemouth, Rotherham, Orient....... it's getting harder year after year for the also rans You'll get the odd exception like, but on the whole I think we could have nearly all predicted this seasons bottom 6. It's a 50/50 chance then of up/down. We've had our fair share of favourable 50/50's. Looking at tonites 1/2 empty Eitihad with no West Brom fans in as it's on TV and it's £56 a ticket I'm not entirely sure I'd much prefer a top 10/play off push in L1 than a perennial struggle in the Champ. And until we've £ to spend I can't foresee anything other.
Hello Jimmy, Hope you don't leave the forum. Always like reading your posts. There will be a lot of hurt coming out in the next few weeks. The truth is the club needs to rethink its plans from top to bottom. Develop players, not take in loads of loanees. (You need a few to cover injuries, etc of course). I think having taken Danny on, we should stick with him, but part of his brief should be to bring through players into the first team, as well as league position, as in the long run both will be linked. If he is not happy with that, then OK, move on, but I think continuity breeds success too.
But the last manager managed a stay of execution with a lot more points and in a similar situation. Not blaming danny solely but the manager came in last year and dare I say it galvanised the team. Imo it was a lot easier to stay up this season than last. I don't think danny should even be contemplated for the sack. We should see what happens in the next phase but neither should we stick just for the sake of trying to get stability .stability can be lots of things mid table in div 1/2 can be classed as stability I'd rather have the status quo of two managers a season than that.imo
First things first really very sorry about your Friend and that he didn't manage to make it to see us one last time Second to your post I'd agree that Danny was one of our greatest ever Managers but I think Clarke ( first time) and Hunter could be argued to have been as great or greater. The fact is that this season he hasn't worked any miracles he had a tough job but so did Holloway and the new Charlton boss and they have just about done enough. I still think it's almost always a mistake to back and that looks to be the case with DW now. Hope I am wrong but I don't think we will be in the top 6 next season
Incoming managers (nearly) always are taking on a team that is struggling, for one reason or another. Im not saying we should sack Wilson, as he does need some time to try and build. What i would say, is that his attempt at short term survival has been woeful. Let's have a list of positives and negatives that he's done since arriving.... Positives - sold Perkins, Wiseman, McNulty, plays Jennings Negatives - brought in Frimpong, Woods, Lawrence, Shea, Proswichz, plays one up front, has no plan B, cant motivate team, ignores Digby and Rose (young Reds who will fight for the cause), sees a different game to me when he's interviewed, etc
I don't necessarily disagree with anything you've said there. But Danny's our manager we need more than anything stability and long term planning. We need to support him and get behind him and see where we are this time next year not this constant carping. I'd see success as having 3 youth team players in the first team playing attractive football and not worrying too much about the league position.
Again I take your points and don't necessarily disagree with them but the constant personal attacks on someone a lot of us hold dear are wearying. Danny needs to be given a full season with a decent pre season and have clear goals and then be judged against them. Not - few months with a patched up team.
It's the playing attractive football bit that's key for me like we did second half of last season but has been sadly lacking this under both managers. I think you are right we should stick with Wilson but I really hope he ditches the negative tactics when he can build his own team
Of course he deserves a pre-season followed by, at least, a full season. What i am saying, is that in the time frame he has had since his return, his management decisions have been very very poor.