Someone answer this for me please...

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  1. Kev b

    Kev b Well-Known Member

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    what do we lose on been relegated to Lg1 but what do we gain if and when we get promoted to Championship, is it the same value ?
     
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    financially?
     
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    IIRC from mansford's interview, about £3mill in direct and TV funding.

    Gibson Booth had calculated that being in the Champ was worth about £6m compared to league 1 -ie that £3m plus lower gate receipts etc. - We'll not know for sure until the end of next season.
     
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    Kev b Well-Known Member

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    Just interested that's all, bored at work
     
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    I think £6m is a vastly overstated figure for what is supposedly "lost" by going down, for us it's the £3m or so TV money and the lower numbers of away fans.
     
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    I think the £3 million is the accepted view - however the knock on effects could stretch it to £6.

    However - IF Donny come down with us we have some big local derbies coming up if we play well.

    So home games against:

    Blunts
    Chesterfield
    S****horpe
    Rovrum
    Bradford
    Donny?
    Burton?

    Would make it a fairly normal season for us in terms of attendance so whilst there is an impact it would be reduced.

    Also drawing a reasonable estimate that that you should finish plus or minus 3 places of your budget - we have a decent chance of making the play offs this coming season - so that would compensate somewhat.

    A couple of extra games in the FA cup - a couple more in the Worthingtons Windscreen Paint Trophy and I'm guessing the worst case of 6 million won't be a reality.


    Personally I'm looking forwards to another trip to Wembley. Only Simon Davey has given us that to shout about since we were last in League 1.
     
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    It's possible we may not even lose £3 million. Get on a promotion run and more fans will return, so the gate receipts could actually be higher than this year. The £3 million also includes a guaranteed match live on Sky. It's possible, should we be doing well, that we'll be shown more often on TV. Unlikely, with it being us, but they may choose to show the games of our promotion rivals against us. Then there's the cups, we did nowt this season, we may go on a bit of a run in either or both, or get a match on telly or draw a big team away from home. All hypothetical of course, but the figures we've been given are very much the worse case scenario. You've got to plan for that, but there's every chance it could be much, much better than that.

    And none of that includes player sales. We sold John Stones for a lot last January, but I think the only bit of money we received in the transfer market this season was for Golbourne.
     
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    It's all guess work.

    But in my opinion it's a useful tool to worry the natives with.
     
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    I specifically asked Don Rowing at one of those BBS meetings how much we'd lose were we to be relegated. He quoted £6m and I now assume he used the figures quoted by Gibson Booth. Subsequently, that has been the figure I've mentioned on a number of occasions when debating the cost of relegation, it wasn't a figure I simply plucked out of the ether. Ben Mansford has now shed some light on how that amount was arrived at.
     
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    So really what would help woukd be John Stones getting a full England call up and either Man Utd Man City or Chelsea buying him in the Summer and we get a percentage.
     
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    You told Gibson Booth it was £6m ?
     
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    Yup. I should've told 'em it was a gross figure, rather than nett. But would they listen?
     
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    I don't know I wasn't there. Would they ?
     
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    Nah! Ne'er mind.
     
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    It does explain where the figures come from and also that as usual Don was giving the worst case - operation lower expectation - so presumably the club could explain why they had to sell and couldnt afford to replace etc

    Now we know where it comes from it seems to me that it is a big overestimate - I think the £3Million TV revenue is fairly easy to accept. But loss of gate revenue wont be £3Million
    if our average attendance is 2K less than this year - and I dont think it will be that bad - and all the loss is due to full paying adults thats only £1Million and as others point out there are possibilities of extra cup games - we are guaranteed at least 3 games even if we go out at the first round ( or is the paint cup a 2 leg competition) and if we play well we will lose less on the gates
    I think we will be between 3 and 4 million worse off - or a "Stones" if you like
     
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    JLWBigLil Well-Known Member

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    I agree, mate

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    Re: I agree, mate

    It makes the drop and rise to the Premiership status look disgusting. The bottom half of the championship and all the lower leagues including the Conference are all struggling financially. The Premiership spends millions and they and the FA do not give a toss about them. The promotion or relegation of lower leagues should get a better amount, because they still have to honour contracts just the same
     
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    I agree, mate, again

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    I don't think our attendances will take a great knock to be honest. A lot of people seem to have renewed their season ticket and a lot of people seem to welcome a change in opposition. I think people are generally expecting us to be challenging next season and therefore there's some sort of strange optimism.

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