Ched Evans

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Me too mate. But that just seems, I dunno, way beyond what I can imagine myself doing. It's just... wrong.

I can't imagine any of us during that period of our lives didn't find ourselves in charge of a very drunk woman. Someone, be it friend or co-worker or potential girlfriend or whoever, who was trying to kiss you/telling you she loved you between bouts of falling down and throwing up. But you take 'em home, put 'em to bed, put a bucket beside them and either bugger off home or sleep on the floor. You don't bend them over and **** 'em while they're half comatose. You do that the next night when they're treating you like their knight in shining armour.

 

If he was hiding in a bush and pouncing on woman then I'd think different, shaging a woman in a hotel room who as gone in that room on her own accord seems different to me don't get me wrong if she changed her mind and told them to stop they should have but he's not a predatory animal he's a young lad who thought **** it I'm nearly in and carried on a mixture of alcohol and hot blood got him in trouble and now he's done his time now he should be punished even more by playing for Barnsley

 

Just plain weird.

 

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Regardless of what you think there's some interesting counter arguments on the 'justice for Ched' website.

http://chedevans.com/

 

That's not what happened though. She met a lad in a club, talked to him, copped off with him, went to a hotel room with him and they had sex. When this lad has done he phones Ched Evans on his mobile, who comes around, lets himself in to the room and he fcuks her. She's off her head, there's CCTV footage of that, she didn't enter a hotel room with two lads, she went there with one.

 

Ched Evans and Sheffield United are a perfect partnership.

 

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Seems that is in dispute: Apparently Evans got a text from his mate saying that he was in a taxi and on the way back to the hotel with a girl (as far as I can see sex wasn't mentioned - Evans had booked the hotel for his friend as he was visiting). Evans himself had gone to the police station to report a racist assault on a friend during the same evening.

http://www.chedevans.com/key-and-undisputed-facts

Edit: Having read a bit it does seem far less clear cut than if you'd have just read the headlines.

 

I'd be handing my season ticket back in.

 

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One of the key and undisputed facts about the case is that Ched's mate wrote a text saying: "got a bird". The people who wrote that website are well aware of that. It's not one those he said, she said second hand conversation things. There's documentary evidence on both phones that's what he wrote. That website states:

On the way to the Premier Inn Clayton sent a message to Ched saying words to the effect of ‘I am with a girl'.

Why hasn't one of the key facts they know absolutely to be true been accurately presented? Because that website isn't interested in the facts. It's only interested in quashing the conviction of Ched Evans. It only gives information that puts these lads in a good light and makes the lass sound like a whore. Look at the detailed description of what she is doing and compare it to what is written about what the lads are doing. It's propaganda. I'm far more comfortable with the account given by the court who were looking at what actually happened rather than a website trying to get someone off the hook.

 

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You said:

You said he called him, the reports says it was a text. Did he text Evans before or after he'd shagged her? The reports suggest he texted him whilst in the taxi on the way to the hotel, not after he'd shagged her.

 

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I dont know if he's guilty or not, neither do you. Im playing Devil's advocate.


Juror's made a judgment in court. That might or might not be correct, same goes for all cases as sometimes the actual facts agree with the verdict and the correct decision is made - hopefully more times than not. The only people who know in this case are Evans and McDonald as the girl doesn't appear to know if she was raped as she says she cant remember the evening - if she was drunk and said "**** me" and later can't remember saying it, then what? They say she gave consent.


Whilst i've never had sex with a mate watching (bit weird imo!) i have gone home with a girl and had consensual sex, whilst both drunk. Im not sure if she had then accused me of rape how i could prove that she consented.

The opposite is of course true - which makes the proof of what happens incredibly hard to judge from case to case, even if we agree that men do rape women on a regular basis.

 

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I'm a numpty on a forum who didn't check my facts after reading about the case a couple of years ago. When I start up the website "Ched Evans is Guilty" and I give a similar account, a thorough examination of what I've written will be entirely appropriate. But as I'm just shooting the breeze on here, I didn't think it mattered that much whether I checked if it was a text or a call. I'm not trying to keep Ched in prison, I'm not trying to change public perception (only a dozen or so people will read this), I'm not trying to influence the judicial process, simply giving a personal opinion. The website you are giving links to is the official campaign to get him released, I personally think that it's far more important that they are accurate, rather than me.

It was a text not a call, I apologise.

 

He won't be good enough anyway. Far too long away from the game for him to come back and perform anywhere near as good as he did before.

And then there's the small matter of him being a convicted rapist. I wonder if there will be protests again like there was when Mike Tyson was doing his talk at the Metrodome.

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I only posted the "other side of the story" out of interest. I didnt say it was correct, only that it was worth a read. Your post, to anyone who hadnt followed the story closely, suggests he called his mate and said 'Im shagging this girl, come round and join in'. When as far as I can see that didnt happen. Just saying like. I wasn't on a witch hunt!


The irony of this story is that the police could only prosecute them because they admitted having sex with her. Had they denied having sex with her, there would have been no case to answer as she couldn't remember anything and there was no DNA evidence as they didnt actually erm...'follow it though', so to speak.

 

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We've had Liam Lawrence, Martin Woods and Ben Alnwick on our books this season. If we'd signed Chris Brown we'd have had all four stars of a sex tape scandal. Not suggesting what they did was as bad as Ched Evans, but I think some of the 'oh my good God' brigade ought to have a word.


For the record, the bloke was found guilty of rape. He's a rapist. A sex offender.

For those reasons, I'd be finding summat else to do of a Saturday/Tuesday if he were signed by BFC.

 

Had Tyson killed someone he'd have had people take a different view. Quite rightly rape is seen in some situations as being worse than some sorts of murder.

 

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Then he's not guilty in the eyes of the law and presumably not guilty to people on here.

 

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I don't know if he's guilty of a crime. I don't believe I have said he is anywhere in this thread. I do however believe what he did was morally wrong, which, for me, is probably worse. There are laws in this country that I simply don't agree with that aren't a matter of what is right and what is wrong, but personal choice.

I've been with some drunk lasses in my time who have intimated they wanted sex. Not tipsy and frisky, but ******* bollocksed. I haven't because I know I would be taking advantage of them. I know what they're saying isn't necessarily what they really want. I know this, not because I'm particularly perceptive, but because I'm a human being and like all others I know right from wrong. No one, however much they argue to the contrary, can enter the hotel room of a friend and see him shagging a lass, after receiving a text from that friend that he has 'got a bird', and think joining in is the right thing to do. Even if he does get a 'yeah' to his question.

Some club will take him on. They always do. I'd ask the manager, "If it was your daughter, would you still want him playing for you?" If the answer is no, then what the **** is he doing at the club because she was someone's daughter, pissed up, vulnerable, in that hotel room when another man walks in.

 

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With you?