Players come and players leave

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  1. Jack Tatty

    Jack Tatty Well-Known Member

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    But the club keeps on moving


    Hassell has gone so accept it and lets move on.
     
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    But in what direction are we moving and with what sort of people in charge.

    It doesn't look very promising and why should'nt the fans have an explanation why the most experienced player at the club hasn't been given a chance in a losing side
     
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    Jack Tatty Well-Known Member

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    Lets all sulk then.
     
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    Prefer to throw my toys out the pram and its a f@cking big pram
     
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    I agree with Mr Tatty. yes BH was a good servant to the club but and it is a big but..................

    He has been on wages that most people can only dream of for about 10 years and has not even played a lot of those years.

    Good luck to him etc but if we were to keep players on just because they have spent x amount of years here, then it would be an old folks home!!

    hth
     
  6. Marc

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    Taking the sentiment out if it, he is/was better than a lot of the $hit that got game time last season. And he could play in League 1 with his eyes shut. And his experience in a rebuilt squad would have been invaluable this season. Poor decision
     
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    Might as well close the board then. And never discuss football in the pub. Or anywhere else for that matter.
     
  8. Jack Tatty

    Jack Tatty Well-Known Member

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    May be a personality clash
    Maybe the manager doesn't rate him
    Who knows

    But we now have to look forward.
     
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    Like most, I agree BH could have done a job in League 1. His experience of the club would help with such a large intake of players.

    But, last 3 managers have hardly played him. What are they seeing behind the scenes & in training that we aren't? I'm not suggesting BH was any sort of bad influence in the background, numerous youngsters have suggested what a big help he is. Fair enough he's also been fit for the last 2 months, but how many of the other 10 months as he been fit?

    People, like myself, just saw his name on the released list and straight away questioned the bad decision.
     
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    only1kp Well-Known Member

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    Another thing to add is, yes bobby has been a great servant to the club, but he has also played a part in the last 7 years, 7 relegation battles, albeit minimal in the last 3. Not saying its all is fault but the stigma of constant relegation battles is in bobby as much as the club. Him being released was inevitable.
     
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    Agree with this above. Also, having heard Bobby's interview, and his opinion on the lack of experience (at present) in the squad, and the difficulty in attracting quality experienced players because of lowish wages, I can see a difficult season ahead. Top half if we're lucky.

    Taking all this into account, plus the poor standard of football served up so far in Danny's tenure, and ill-judged poor loan signings, it's not looking good right now for next season.
     
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    On the other hand, if we keep hold of the contracted players and these 3 sign on then I think there's players there with much more quality than we will face against half of the teams in that league
    Add a few young winners and we could be in business

    All depends on Danny's management to be fair - carry on playing this way and we're only going south
     
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    I like Bobby but time catches up with a all. I don't think there's any more it less to it than that.


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    ^^^ no more to add.
     
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    I'm amazed that the 'revelation' that Bobby Hassell has been fit for the last 2 months has caused such a stir. We already knew that, he's been on the bench for 9 of the last 10 games. However, there's a big difference between Bobby Hassell proclaiming himself fit and the manager believing him to be fit enough for the rigours of a relegation battle in one of the toughest leagues in the world. No longer injured and match fit are poles apart. Wilson obviously thought he was fit enough for the bench, but starting a game is an entirely different matter. Hassell has hardly played all season, he didn't play much the season before. At 33, with 12 months out of the game and recovering from injury, you've got to question how effective Bobby would have been. It's easy to say in hindsight that he would have been more effective than the useless buggers we did pick, but if you were the manager, would you rely on a player who would have been half fit at best, who broke down the last time he was used?

    When Lawrence arrived he was in a similar position to that which Bobby found himself in this last month or so. Wilson used him extremely sparingly at first, building up his fitness slowly so as not to exacerbate the problem in an attempt to get him fully fit for the last couple of months and be of real benefit to the team. He didn't have time to do that with Bobby. Even if there was no recurrence of his injury, by the time he would have been up to full fitness the season would have ended. Do we spend the final 10 games, when we're fighting for our lives, building up the fitness of one of our squad? We employ our managers to manage the team and things aren't as simple as sticking a player in the side as soon as his injury has cleared up. That can be of little benefit to either the team or the player.

    There's been a number of people speculating that Wilson doesn't get on with Bobby, that maybe he doesn't like him or that he sees him as a bad influence. I don't buy that for a second. The first thing that Wilson did on his arrival was reinstate him in the team. The fact is that Bobby was then injured for two or three months. When he recovered from that injury Bobby was put back in the squad. He wasn't played, when you've been out so long you're not match fit, but Wilson wanted him in the dressing room because he clearly saw him as a good influence.

    (The above isn't aimed at you btw mate, but the whole BBS)

    That's the crux of the matter. Do we offer a new contract to a player who, as he's got older, has struggled more and more with injuries? Do we want a player on the books who, if we take recent history as an example, will be missing for large parts of the season? He'll not definitely be injured, but it is a gamble, and with money tight and the 60% of turnover on wages rule, is at gamble we can afford to take?

    I've read numerous times that Bobby Hassell could do a great job in League 1. How do you know? I don't know. A couple of years ago I'd be able to say that, without a doubt in my mind, but I haven't seen a lot of him this last couple of years, barely anything at all this last 12 months. Footballers do not get better with age. Those suffering recurring injuries certainly don't. Bobby Hassell is no spring chicken, he's 34 in June, I have no idea if he is still capable of playing to the same level he once could. A few footballers are still producing their best at that age, but many more ply their trade at a much lower level than they were once capable of playing or have retired from the game altogether.

    Bobby Hassell was a fantastic servant to Barnsley Football Club. He's one of my favourite players we've ever had. I'm sad to see him leave. But I don't understand the anger shown being shown towards the club for not renewing the contract of a player whose time here, like hundreds of players before him, has invariably run its course.

    Personally I'll be thinking back to the Chelsea game when time and again Bobby put his face between the ball and our goal. Thanks for the memories Sir Bob, all the very best for the future.
     
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    Reasons to keep Bobby for at least 12 months

    (1) at a conservative estimate it'd cost £100-150k to replace him for a player who's a seasoned Championship performer. Take wages on top, I'm sure that money could be better spent keeping him here without risk of the new player, not fitting in, settling in the area, been **** etc

    (2) every young player (baring in mind that's the way we're going according to BM DW) sites BH as THE senior player who offers advise, help etc in their development

    (3) he can actually play! He loves the club and if the 6-8 loanees, short term players and a few contracted ones had shown his pride, passion and determination over the last season then we wouldn't be worrying about budget cuts!

    (4) we talk about connecting with the community, engaging the fans etc. Apart from Steele I can't think of one other squad player my young son (the next generation) could look up to, recognise in the street and who'd take time aside to engage him and show young fans what and how true professional conduct themselves.

    There's other minor points but I've stated my case for the defence(get it;-) I genuinely think the club have dropped a bollock, I hope it doesn't backfire. As for BH, I just hope he gets what he wants from life. As a human, regardless of his occupation, he deserves it. Top lad! Legend.
     
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    The fitness tag doesn't wash with me, when I see a) how many injured, unfit players Danny Wilson signed in January and b) how many risks he took, fielding unfit players who then broke down almost immediately
     
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    Coupled with the fact that 2 of our 3 youngsters we consider to be the 'shining lights' of our way forward seem incapable of completing anywhere near a full season between!
     
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    To be far Bobby is a good solid pro. Never been our best player or our worst (except for a few months after we signed him) but was it really worth taking a gamble on his fitness given his issues over the last few seasons? Personally speaking I don't think so. It's a shame we couldn't find a coaching role but if he wishes to carry on playing I'd say on balance the decision us right.
     

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