More climate change propaganda

Re: A representative debate on climate change

I do love John Oliver!

 

Re: A representative debate on climate change

I'm used to reading a fair degree of cobblers on here and as most of it is opinion then you shouldn't really contradict it but this!!! Ignorance under the guise of opinion - ridiculous.
There is NO DOUBT at all that MAN Made Climate Change is the most serious threat to the future of this planet. Let me put that in perspective. The Flat Earth Society are more accurate in their views than the Climate Change deniers. 998 out of every 1000 Climate Change specialists believe man is responsible for the acceleration of the rise in global temperatures. So why the debate? Three reasons: One - individuals and Corporations that benefit from casting doubt e.g Nigel Lawson. Two, bodies like the BBC insist "on the grounds of objectivity" that a one for one debate takes place. Crackers!! (If that's the case the flat earth society really should be looking for equal representation in their debates) and thirdly, as a species we don't yet give a toss because the effects haven't hit us enough. Flooding a minor village like Sheffield or Manchester doesn't cut it (dirty little Northern places) but a serious flood in London or the South East - that might do it. However, it won't get to that. The first time the serious effects will be noted in the UK are when there is a vast population shift from those parts of the world that will suffer the most harrowing effects. Cheery isn't it! Heads back in Sand.

 

The problem is that weather systems are spectacularly complex. All the supercomputers in the world won't give us more than a general idea of what might be happening next week (and even that often turns out to be wrong). If you change stuff on the scale that humans have been doing, something will happen. Something is happening. It might cool, it might warm, natural disasters may increase, but the chaos inherent in the system means that we can't know. The classic comparison is the butterfly effect, but the overall point is that the world's natural systems are orders of magnitude more complex than anything we could possibly model.

The hole in the ozone layer, by the way, didn't "magically repair itself". That's a perfect of example of the world's countries actually getting together and fixing the problem in the face of people arguing that humans couldn't possibly have caused something like that. I'm surprised that you're using it as a pretty fundamental part of your argument but haven't bothered to do even the most cursory research. [MENTION=54337]Dalestyke[/MENTION] is right - this is ignorance under the guise of opinion (great line, by the way!).

 

What somebody else does which you can't control or influence is no excuse for not doing the right thing yourself.

 

different views from scientists
http://www.globalresearch.ca/copenh...n-facts-and-ten-myths-on-climate-change/16467

 

pffff - was that written by UKIP or the daily mail ? certainly not scientists

 

take it you don't agree with it then.

 

I only deal in facts , not right wing financial fantasy

 

an Australian professor giving an alternative view is right wing fantasy?

 

Tell you what , do your reaearch and find out who funded him - once you find out let me know (I know)

I find it sad that people in this day n age with all the facts present are motivated by large company profit /greed when it comes down to this subject
think about the future and yourself , Shafton two gates is safe !! some will not be.

 

i wouldn't expect no different from a bloke with a wind turbine as his avatar

who says I'm not thinking about it,you are jumping to conclusions because I've presented a different view.

companies are also profiting from the pro climate change view,theres greed on both sides.

 

you aint presented any view , quite happy for us to carry on burning oil n coal , just accelerates the end for many , do you want that ? greeeeeed .

 

i want a cleaner world,end of story.

what i don't want is taxation that costs me,i already do my bit by using less electric,using a push bike,walking,using solar panels etc,i don't need taxation and levies.

where did i say i was quite happy to carry on burning coal and oil?

 

stick in the 1980's then , new industries that will feed our national grid for the next 100 years need levies / support if not we will have to stick to coal n oil , thats what you want with your position , selfish but certainly a view , what do you want when oil n coal are gone ? with your stance there would be nothing - like I said personal greed is a view for the short term - not good for long .

what energy policy do you think we should have for the next 50 -100 years and how should it be funded in the early stages of it ?

ps , renewable subsidy equates to £50 quid a year for wind/solar/wave and bio mass for each bill.
is that too much to pay for a long term clean energy policy , if so we should all pack up .

 

a mixed energy policy would be my view,with coal being part of it using carbon capture,trouble is nobody will fund it,unlike turbines and wave power.Carbon capture is new technology,but doesn't get any real help,thats why hatfield power station never took off.
if we are having subsidy for energy,then lets have it for all sectors,,,nowt selfish about that in my eyes.

 

Where are the coal plants going to be built ?
Whos going to build them
No utilities in the uk are going to build em
Too expensive even with subsidies
Wind as a fuel is free so too is solar
They will be supported by dual shifting gas plants and hydro
Coal plants are too inflexible to support the future needs of the grid and thus too expensive to build n run

Times are changing for the better.

 

they are managing to build coal plants every week in china.

ps,you are right about the utilities companies not building them,why would they,too much investment for their shareholders,they'd much sooner wait till the taxpayer foots the bill then buy them on the cheap.energy companies are where the greed is mate,regardless of what fuel they are using.

 

Is China going to supply our grid ..... nope
Every week ...pffff nope
Stop reading ukip policies and garbage !
So you have to come round to my way of thinking for UK .... good
There is no alternative .
Cost wise.
China can quarry coal for pennies
Having said that they have just signed 200 b pound deal with gazprom for gas this week
40 years.
They are now building onshore and offshore wind array s too ! Sounds familiar ?
Two gates is safe dont worry you will be ok.

 

thanks for the assurance,nice to know you've got the answers.

which company do you work for?

china,building coal stations and wind turbines at the same time.....now theres an idea

 

Does it matter who ?
One of the big six that is actually from the uk
I can assure you that if the present government carry on with their current energy policy we will have grid black outs during the next two years
The utility I work for made 1.5 bn last year but will be investing 1.7 bn per year for the next four years !
Mostly in onshore and offshore wind plus new transmission assets
Yes they have to supply the customer too and the transmission system in the uk is aging too
The costs are mind boggling but years of no uk policy is coming home to roost