Cranie and Kennedy to Go, Says The Chronicle!

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  1. Jimmy viz

    Jimmy viz Well-Known Member

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    I take it with getting shut of anyone good enough to play in the championship unlike those who got relegated with us we have decided that a period of stagnation or a further relegation is needed to steady the boat. After all if you get rid of all your good players (and Kennedy) you are sending out a clear message that promotion isn't your agenda.
     
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    I agree. Crainie was alright, but Ramage was proving to be the better player in our defence. Crainie would have been the one out of the big four that I would have rather see leave first, if any of the, had to go. Then again, Steele would have been last on my list and he went first.
     
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    Not my take at all - I am sorry that COG and Steele are going as I think they both will be difficult to replace as I said above I really dont think Crainie was that great an asset - the defence actually looked better when we had Etuhu at RB and Mvoto and Nyatanga in the centre - ie no Cranie
    I am actually sadder that we let Etuhu go to be honest.

    I don't see though how replacing players who weren't good enough to keep us in the championship sends a clear message we aren't aiming for promotion.
     
  4. Jimmy viz

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    Getting rid of the deadwood is the and there was plenty of it Etuhu definitely included. Getting rid of all your better players is a different matter altogether even giving them away in giving them away in sone cases sends a different message. In most businesses it would be called asset stripping. From the outside it looks like we are also saying we cannot compete in this league either. As for replacements too early to say. At the minute we would struggle to field a 5 a side team.

    I hope it is all part of some grand plan and by this time next week and we have signed the 10 quality players we need to even aim at mid table.

    The bonus is there hasn't been much business done at our level that we need to worry about.
     
  5. Loko the Tyke

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    Isn't it the case that we were above the salary cap for this league by having Steele, Crainie, O'Grady, and our recruitment plans were being negatively impacted because they hadn't moved on?

    That isn't asset stripping, that's just managing your salary cap. I don't see Crainie, Steele or COGBA as deadwood, but having watched the playoffs we can definitely use their wages and the money freed up to improve the squad. Steele would comfortably (in my opinion) be the best keeper in this league. We could still end up with the best keeper in this league depending who we sign, but at a fraction of the cost with the ability to also sign a decent right back.

    You can't get promoted from this league with a squad of 16 players, no matter how good they are. We needed to move these guys on, and by giving them away we're not actually giving them away because it free's up considerable budget.
     
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    I just don't get these kind of comments. WE cannot afford these players and it's nothing to do with if we've got the money to pay their wages, we may have the funds to pay them and more, I don't know and neither does any one else outside of the top management. What I do know is that this year we are bound by the 60% rule and it is quite clear that the wages of these players are eating up a big percentage of that 60%, other than Kennedy I would like to keep them but if that is at the expense of bringing in other badly needed players then I'm afraid it's thank you and goodbye. We can all speculate about wage levels of individuals and the amount paid in different leagues but who's to know that for what we pay COG we can get 2/3/4 decent L1 players. I'm afraid there are some people on this board that are going to have to take stock of our position and realise what our situation is. Danny along with the rest of the management staff have a very difficult job on their hands, and once again people are going to have to understand that rebuilding for this league is going to be a long and hard slog and I for one will follow the reds, as I have always done, by understanding our situation and enjoying any success but also tempering my dissapointment by looking at things logically. By the way this isn't a " I'm a better fan than you " thread. A guy who stopped going years ago said to me the other day, " are you still going to watch them, they're pillocking you, my reply was, no they're not, I've been watching them for 57 years, I know exactly what I'm watching and thats my football team fighting against all the odds to do the best they can, I've seen more bad than good but bl00dy hell the good time are ******* brilliant. COYR,
     
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    It's scary how many people are using the 'he's been in a relegation battle for 3 or 4 seasons in a row so he's no good argument'.

    If all our players were league one standard then we'd have finished 30 points adrift, the likes of O'Grady, Cranie, Steele & Jennings are clearly championship standard.

    I thought it was pretty obvious to most that the big factors in us going down were our midfield & full backs
     
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    Good grief, have any of you actually watched Mvoto? That's what we're left with, and it's not ******* funny
     
  9. Jimmy viz

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    It's a point of view I'm unremittingly negative. But if you get rid of all your championship quality players you are clearly saying we don't expect to compete at the top end of the table. If you replace your better players with those of lesser quality you get worse it's simple isn't it? We currently have about 8 experienced pros so it's difficult to judge anything isn't it.

    In terms of salary cap. I would presume that freeing 17 players would leave us well under it.
     
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    You've sort of answered my question you don't believe that we can afford the sort of players test will get us at the top end of the league. That's fair enough. Prior to relegation it was said the club had said that we would have a bottom 8 budget this looks to be true.

    The 17 players we have already freed you would hope would have saved us enough to be well under the salary cap.

    It's too early to say anything at this stage but a season of struggle seems a fair enough opinion at this stage.
     
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    I guess it seems odd that a smaller club than ours Peterborough can get relegated retain their best players selling the odd one for mega bucks to balance the books while retaining the spine of their team whole we feel it necessary to get rid of the wheat and the chaff. I've not seen Donny holding any sort of fire sale.

    I presume their is a long term plan and that we will be moving towards our end game now. It just seems poorly communicated if there is a strategy.
     
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    I don't think releasing 17 players did leave us under though, that's the problem. If Steele, COGBA, Kennedy and Crainie represent over £25k a week (and that's 'if'), then that's over £1 million back in to the budget.

    I believe there's money to be spent on players as well, we just couldn't afford the wage bill to bring them in.

    Expect big movements in the transfer windows this week. I'm gutted Steele and O'Grady have gone, but Crainie can be replaced at this level, and other competent players can be brought in. Kennedy just needs to do one mind.
     
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    If not given that we need to get 10-12 in we are clearly not even going to be shopping at Aldi's maybe factory seconds shop at this rate. We made contractual offers to players before the latest exodus indicating we were under the salary cap. These were turned down indicating that we at least had the money for 4 players.
     
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    I think it hilarious.
     
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    Of the players that remain I've no idea of wages. Jennings is excluded the two new signings based on where they came from won't be on a lot.

    If we ditch Cranie and Kennedy that leaves Nyatanga and M'Voto as players you would expect to be earning on or above the divisional average. The rest are kids so won't be on very much. On the surface you would see us being able to recruit well and pay decent money but something seems awry to me
     
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    Why given the number we need to bring in would we be shopping lower than Aldi?

    There's still loads of players that haven't found a club yet, and still loads of players waiting to be snapped up. Things always happen much later in a World Cup year. Man Utd will sign another four players for around £100 million and they only start a week later than us.

    Hold your nerve. It will all be fine
     

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