Is Tyson Fury the world's unluckiest boxer?

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  1. Gor

    Gordon Ottershaw Well-Known Member

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    Chisora has pulled out of Saturday's fight with a broken hand. I was looking forward to that one too.
     
    Gordon Ottershaw, Jul 21, 2014
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    I think he is possibly the worst "boxer" ever to get into the top ten. He is shocking !!
    Got a big mouth and he is a big lad, but he cannot take a punch, even pillow fisted Cunningham put him over.
     
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    He's very unlucky.
     
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    He's a complete **** and a very poor boxer


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    Barnsley Loyal, Jul 21, 2014
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  5. Whi

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    He's a character, a showman. He's not daft. He's made a lot of money already by playing the crowd etc.

    As for his boxing ability, he's unbeaten as a pro. Hardly poor.

    But I'm done with this thread, been here before, bored of it.

    He's getting an opponent for Saturday hopefully.
     
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    you could argue hes very lucky
     
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    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    Definitely unlucky the last 12 months. Can't say he's unlucky all the time though as his gift of a decision against McDermott and poor form from the ref against Cunningham will prove. He's had his fair share of luck!

    I had tickets for this so naturally gutted! Was also intrigued to see him taking on his first live opponent, was a real step up for him this time and was the chance for him to ram the words down the critics mouths (myself included in that).
     
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    I like to consider this a bit of Karma. Good to see bad luck happening to someone that deserves it.

    There's one thing calling out fighters in the same division but Fury randomly abuses fighters in other weight classes & to top it off he recently tweeted a picture with a comment under it taking the piss out of Freddie Roach having Parkinson's. Proper scumbag.

    I consider him very lucky that Haye got a shoulder injury & he's undefeated in name only. As Loko says he was clearly beaten by McDermott
     
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    In patches, over the past few fights he has shown some decent glimpses, but before that he was a bit of a joke. The first fight with Chisora was unbelievably bad. But I expected him to win this one comfortably. He'll lose against the first fighter with a decent punch, because he's too easy to hit. So far he's shown quite durable though, getting off the floor countless times. He always looks like he could go down too, but as yet nobody has had the power to keep him down. Haye would have had him out of there in 3 rounds.

    Would be a decent match with Price though, because Price could take Fury out with one punch, whereas Fury's relative lack of punch power for someone his size would easily be enough to take Price out. It would just be a case of who lands the first clean shot and that would be that. But when you look further down the British top 10, apart from Hughie Fury there's nobody there worth bothering about. And even Hughie Fury didn't look too good last time out. Richard Towers has made David Price look like he runs on Duracell the last couple of fights. I'm not sure whether Joshua has cracked the top 10 yet, but he's our best hope for a world champion. It was funny watching Price squirm sitting next to him on Ringside last week.
     
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    My biggest issue with Fury is his CV. Really, really poor for someone so highly thought of within the organisations. He shouldn't really be fighting in a world championship eliminator. I also really dislike the way nobody acknowledges he cheated Cunningham out of his fight in NYC. You're not allowed to tee someone up like that so they can't defend themselves.

    Saying that, he does have decent skills and good speed for a heavyweight. Reminds of a poor man's Calzaghe in his weight division.

    The Chisora fight is/was no easy fight though. Del Boy's four recent wins have come against solid opposition, equal to that of what Fury has been facing. A fit, focused Chisora gives anyone a fight. He might have been knocked out by Haye, but he gave him lots to think about for four rounds, and Haye is genuine world level whatever people make of the Klitschko fight.

    Anthony Joshua is the real deal. Clean up the British scene within three years.
     
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    Leaving David Haye out of it, I reckon he could clean up the British top ten over the next couple of weeks! Chisora and the two Furies would put up good fights, but I see Joshua as capable of beating them both now if he wanted. No rush though. A clean shot from Price would stop Joshua, but a clean shot from Price would stop any heavyweight in the world. Thing is, if he was up against anybody with any clout I think Price would be too scared to start throwing his big punches any more. Such a shame, as I thought he was destined for the top, but I haven't seen anything in Price's comeback fights yet that suggests he is over what Thompson did to him.

    The way that Joshua sorted Skelton out was fantastic. I don't like Skelton anyway, but he just didn't get away with any of his old man tricks and Joshua actually showed him one or two of his tricks back. With Joshua, for once, I really do think the hype is justified. Best young prospect in the UK, alongside the Yafai brothers.
     
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    Joshua will be WC eventually IMO, he looks to have the right stuff.

    I used to think Tyson Fury was a reyt bell but he's grown on me, quite like him now. And he has shown a lot of improvement in his last few fights. And his singing in the ring after his fights is quality entertainment, not particularly his voice but just the brass neck to do it. He's a character alright.
     
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    I like Fury a lot more than I used to, and I think he could be a contender, but he's done nothing to earn his place in the rankings.

    Not sure how you can say he's improved when the level of competition has been so bad. Four of his last five fights have been against absolute no hopers, the level of fighter Joshua is starting to take on, with the other fighter not being a legitimate heavyweight who he cheated against to win.
     
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    Regardless of opposition he has looked a more rounded boxer in his last few fights, i.e. his own skills. Initially he didn't even look like a boxer to me, just a street brawler, but he is starting to look like a boxer. Agree he hasn't fought anyone of note, he definitely needs to step it up a level, which he would have been if Chisora hadn't pulled out, so maybe his mgmt have made that decision to move him upwards. We'll see.
     
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    Who's he fighting now then ?
     
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    I'm hoping he's going to be fighting Shannon 'The Cannon' Briggs, but I don't think Fury will fancy that fight for even a second.
     
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    It's oreight slagging off his recent opponents, but lets remember why he was facing them, at short notice. Haye (twice) and Basile pulled out. Hence the poor opponent in Abell. But he has fought half decent fighters. Kevin Johnson for example was hardly a bum in 2012, having gone 12 rounds with Vitali in a title fight. Indeed, losing to Fury was only his third defeat. He's struggled since, even defeated by Chisora. But then, you made out Delboy's recent opponents were better, so with Johnson being one of em, you're sort of contradicting yourself.

    Cunningham may have been a cruiserweight, and Tyson did use dodgy technique to land the knockout blow (and he got knocked down), but it was still quite brave to go and fight him over there. He was hardly another bum to blow down was he? You can only fight what's out there. And the division as a whole is as poor as it's ever been surely? The lad wants to fight. He's had Haye pull out with a cut just 6 days before the first fight, then pull out again for surgery. The same Haye who pulled out against Charr 9 months before. And dodged the Klitchsko's prior to the Valuev fight.

    I've never said Tyson is this or that. Just that I enjoy watching him, he excites me. And in a division as dull as it is, that's a good thing. But I do rate him more than most, especially the folk on here who seem to think his showman image is the true Tyson Fury. It isn't. He's not daft. Well, he is, but like a brush, not a retard.


    Regarding my conspiracy over whether Chisora and Haye pulled out genuinely, why has Dereck posted this image on twitter, just two hours ago?


    [​IMG]Derek Chisora ‏@dellboychisora <small class="time" style="font-size: 13px; color: rgb(136, 153, 166); margin-right: 5px;"> 2h</small>
    @Tyson_Fury @mrdavidhaye [​IMG][​IMG] pic.twitter.com/zJj2YP2GsA
    [​IMG]





    And read what Haye recently told The Independent.

    What of reports that he may fight the winner of Fury versus Chisora, who meet next month? "Not interested. I've beaten Chisora already and I'd take more satisfaction in knowing I'll deprive Fury of a £5m payday than if I knocked him out..."
     
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    Seems like you've taken opinions as personal attacks on your own viewpoint? Not sure why you've taken that stance considering I've not actually said Fury is useless, just that his CV doesn't warrant the attention he gets. He's a talented boxer, and despite being knocked down two or three times continues to get back up which can only be applauded. He's just unproven, and the majority of people only rate him based on the airtime he generate for himself (clever man) rather than on his proven ability and record.

    In terms of his recent fights, he's only fought Abell, none of the other opponents I was referring to stepped in for cancelled fights. Vinny Maddalone or whatever he was called? Shocking opponent for an up and coming fighter ranked in the top ten.

    Yes, both Chisora and Fury fought Johnson (who let's be honest, is a really poor fighter despite his record and world title challenge - did you watch his fight with Klitschko?), but I was referring to opponents as a collective rather than contradicting myself, so apologies mate but I don't agree with that.

    I'm not sure that I agree either with the sentiment that he was brave to fight Cunningham. At 6ft 8 and weighing 18 stone, there's nothing brave about picking on a small Cruiserweight. That was a promoter cherry pick to get Fury known in the states and very nearly backfired. In fact, some would say it did backfire as he's now known over there as the British heavyweight who was flattened by Cunningham ......... and also punched himself in the face. That always makes them laugh.

    At the end of the day I'm happy to disagree. You rate him, I rate him, but you rate him in a different bracket to me. I'd hardly back my house on it, but I wouldn't rule Anthony Joshua out of beating Tyson Fury if they fought this year. Add to that list Deontay Wilder, Stiverne, Povetkin, Jennings, Perez, Pulev.

    As for the conspiracy theory. Not bought in to that. Frank Warren has too much money and reputation to lose if this was the case. He's one failed promotion away from going back to Leisure Centres and York Hall. His arena days are almost done. I saw Haye repeat that statement in an interview and he basically meant that Fury won't ever fight for anywhere near that kind of money again. No conspiracy there. His shoulder was ******.
     
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    Looks like he might have an opponent !!

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