Is Tyson Fury the world's unluckiest boxer?

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  1. Whi

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    Ranked 8th and 9th in IBF and WBA lists.

    He's definitely better than Chisora.
     
    Whitey, Jul 23, 2014
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  2. Loko the Tyke

    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    Not sure about that. Tougher from a physical point of view, but not on ability.

    Ustinov has only stepped up in class once and got badly dominated by Pulev, embarrassingly so. This is the same Pulev that struggled to a boring points victory over Tony Thompson.

    Styles make fights though, and this will be very interesting. Definitely the toughest fight I've known a heavyweight take at less than a week's notice
     
    Loko the Tyke, Jul 23, 2014
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    He aint mate, he has as much a padded record as Fury !

    He is 37 years old and a bloody plodder. Have you seen his resume? The best he has fought have been Pulev, who beat him all round the ring, David Tua, who is on a long long downward slope ,Jason Gaverne !! Monte Barrett and Micheal Sprott ! He has a decent kick boxing record though !.
     
    madmark62, Jul 23, 2014
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  4. Whi

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    Guys lost once, to Pulev. 20 KO's.

    Even if his record is padded (like Fury's in your opinion), that makes for a very even fight no?

    Chisora is a bum. A high ranking journeyman, as Tyson calls him. Which is right.


    It's ok knocking Fury for his opponents etc, but **** sake, the so called Hayemaker chickened out twice, and so has Chisora now, as well as Basile. He can only fight what's out there, and who wants it. The Klitchsko's wouldn't take the fight. Wilder won't either. So he'll forever be called a bum etc based on others ducking him.


    Calzaghe used to get stick, still does now for not fighting the best etc, or the best in their relative pomp. And he is arguably the best fighter out of Britain, ever. Sport of opinions, just like owt else.


    If Fury gets mugged off like your boy Price did, I'll be good enough to accept it.

    Could be this weekend. First time I've feared for him since pre-Johnson bout.
     
    Whitey, Jul 23, 2014
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    Don't know where to start with this one mate (sorry).

    You feared for Fury fighting Kevin Johnson? Johnson is a truly awful boxer and never deserved to be a contender. Fury had that in the bag before the fight started.

    If you're going to big Ustinov up and knock Chisora down, take in to account that Chisora gave Malik Scott his first defeat when he was 34-0, and 'defeated' Helenius in his own backyard when he was meant to be the heir to the Klitschko throne. Also, closest fight Vitali has been in since his return was his fight with Chisora, so really, really unfair to call him a high ranking journeyman.

    You won't find Calzaghe getting stick here. Defended his title a record 20 consecutive times, and as you say is one of the best fighters Britain has ever produced. Let's not use his name in a friendly debate about Fury's ability though. World's apart and no comparisons yet.

    Your comment about Price reads as a bit of a jibe at MadMark, but I'm hoping I've just read that wrong.
     
    Loko the Tyke, Jul 23, 2014
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  6. Whi

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    I know Mark, he knows me. It's only banter.

    I just don't rate Chisora. You could make him sound good, I can make him sound bad. Agree to disagree etc.

    I said pre-Johnson, as at that point I saw it as a step up for Tyson and for the first time saw someone I 'thought' might do him over. He had been regarded as the yanks next big hope at one point, prior to the Klitchsko defeat (where he fought injured tbf). I agree with anyone saying Fury's opponents haven't been great, but most fighters first 10 to 15 opponents are picked for a reason. You don't just throw them in at the deep end. But yes, his opponents even since then have hardly been great, including Chisora, Cunningham and Johnson. But he beat them all. S'all he can do.

    We could have been talking about him very differently today had Haye fought him.


    And we'll only be able to truly judge him when he does finally get into the ring with a proper boxer, someone who will turn up. I don't think Ustinov is that man, regards talent or owt. But he's not a pure bum is he? I think, as you say, it's a very stiff opponent at short notice, and hopefully Tyson will finally get some credit should he take care of business.
     
    Whitey, Jul 23, 2014
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    What ever happened to him? Did he fight after that? He broke his arm in the first round didn't he?

    Seems to have fallen off the radar completely. Might google him.
     
    Whitey, Jul 23, 2014
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    You know what mate ....... agree with all of that.
     
    Loko the Tyke, Jul 23, 2014
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    No offence but it's not even up for debate. You'll not find a boxing expert or any independent boxing rankings (boxrec, fight news, the ring etc) that have Ustinov above Chisora.

    Chisora's lost to Helenius who was top 10 ranked but he actually won comfortably (dodgy scorecards in favour of the home fighter), he was competitive with the 3rd best heavyweight in the world Haye & took 4 rounds off the second best heavyweight in the world in Vitali Klitschko. He's beaten Scott, Gerber & Johnson who are all better than anyone Ustinov's bet.

    Ustinov's not beaten a single fighter in the top 20, the one time he stepped up he got dominated & stopped
     
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    Think I saw him fight about a year ago against Michael Sprott, and on my biased British scorecard I had it down as a draw, which means he won a tight decision.

    Looked awful.
     
    Loko the Tyke, Jul 23, 2014
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    It is, because I said Fury ducked Price.;)
    Price versus Fury would be a belter of a fight for 2 rounds tops, because the first one to lad a punch wins !!

    Whitey has always backed Fury , even when he has been *****, got to give him that, even when he cheated to win against a pillow fisted non punching Cruiser !!:p

    Oh and Yes , it is just banter !!
     
    madmark62, Jul 23, 2014
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    'even when he cheated to win against a pillow fisted non punching Cruiser'.

    Love it
     
    Loko the Tyke, Jul 23, 2014
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    Helenius looked awful in that fight, but I dont think he has ever looked "that good" to be honest.He broke his right wrist during that fight too !
    He has a couple of good names on hid resume though in Sam Peter and Liakhovich, who are the type of fighters up and coming Heavies should be fighting, not blown up cruisers of old men, like others have been fighting and I include Fury and Chisora in that.
     
    madmark62, Jul 23, 2014
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  14. Whi

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    All your opinion, pal. And all very debatable. But it's late and I'm working in 7 hours time. :(

    I see the downplaying of Fury's latest opponent has started in earnest though. :D
     
    Whitey, Jul 23, 2014
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    I think you will find that it was in response to the over stating his opponent by such as yourself , mate !:p
     
    madmark62, Jul 23, 2014
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    I was looking forward to Fury v Chisora 2. Both are so unpredictable anything could have happened. The first fight was woeful though. Like watching two bald men fighting over a comb.
     
    Gordon Ottershaw, Jul 23, 2014
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    I still think Ustinov's a good opponent at short notice, he's just not on the same level as Chisora which is fair enough as Chisora's a top 10 heavyweight & no one in the top 10's taking a fight at 4 days notice
     
    Django, Jul 23, 2014
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