If you were Scottish....

Jay TBH I'm a ignorant as the ext man over all of this and yes you are right all politicians lie through their teeth to get what they want.

Look mate I'm to be given a choice in 3 weeks time. Vote No and accept the status quo, tory rule, austerity, food banks, poor shafted, elderly ignored, NHS being dismantled all this because there is no money around. But there always seems to be plenty money for ballistic missiles.

Or

Vote Yes for an independent nuclear free nation, fairer society, improved NHS, continued free prescriptions, better schools and care for the elderly. And more.

How would you vote mate? No hard to see why I choose to vote yes.

 

If something seems too good to be true then it probably is.

Where's the money going to come from for all that?

 

I look forward to seeing the change! I thought it was a vote for independence not a Tory vs SDP issue? However im detached and ignorant of the details and manifesto here

 

So you are confident that the independent Scottish economy will deliver on the improvements you mention?

It is very easy to say what you will do, much harder to actually deliver on it.

The Tories seem to take quite a beating in this discussion, but are people forgetting that there is always the opportunity for Government change at a general election?

 

Do you realise just how much this country spends on Faslane/trident? It bill comes in at Billions of pounds, which an independent Scotland would be saving a good percentage of to finance other mre important issues. Any oil and gas revenues which GB had coming in would now be all Scotlands.

Should be enough money to go around.

 

Point 1, I hope so never confident of anything.
Point 2, Again I hope whichever party gets control most of the promises can be delivered.
Point 3, The torries deserve all the beatings in the world. No more to be said.

 

I'm not trying to convince you not to vote for independence. I don't know which way you should go, I'd probably vote yes in your situation. What I'm trying to convince you of is that the independence vote is the easy bit. The Scottish people have to remain politicised after the vote has taken place, keep the pressure on their MPs and make sure all the promises made are not eroded away. You'll not get everything you are being promised. You can't, it's a negotiation and there is always compromise, always give and take. What you're being sold is very much best case scenario. However, you have to make sure that you get something and what you are left with isn't worse than what you started off with.

There's the very real prospect that after the vote the Scottish people will sit back thinking their part in all this is done and you'll get what you voted for. The reality is at that point it will have only just started. You've all got to keep your eye on them because the compromises made might be good for individuals and not the country. Russia has a hell of a lot more oil and gas than you've got, but your average Russian has seen no benefit in that at all. Your votes after the independence vote will be every bit as important, maybe more so, than how you vote in the referendum.

 

YTD poll tracker suggest it wont happen:-

50% NO
37% YES
12% DONT KNOW

 

don't care what the jocks do....build a wall along the border to keep us english out if they want....

whatever

hth

 

If they vote yes will they then be responsible for

their own Armed forces, own monetary unit, own health service, need I go on. Seems to me as if they want their cake and to eat it too. As for gas and oil they did not have all the oil/gas fields either. Also if they think Celtic or Rangers would be ever allowed into the Premier league forget that too. Let them go let them have the EURO etc... just like Eire did and Greece et al....

"IS THAT WHAT THEY WANT....'COS THAT'S WHAT'LL 'APPEN"

 

From what I've heard Scotland has more people working for the state than anywhere else, the land of Adam Smith has lost it's entrepreneurial spirit and become addicted to statism.

Without all that tax revenue from those rich London bankers you hate so much I doubt you'll be able to pay for all that.

 

See what your sayin mate. Rock and a hard place eh?
Just supposing we vote to stay. Do you really think everything will be as you were? I doubt that very much.
See Cameron and that Scottish hating parasite Boris, them and the rest of the tory maggots will take great delight in grinding us down for actually having the audacity of standing up and trying to go it alone. All our our pants will be round our ankles while they systematically roger us.

Nah, we really must grab this chance.

 

Gloria, I'm going to have to bow to your obvious superior knowledge on all things Scottish and economic.
I'm sure all the experts in that field have looked into all eventualities and all will be well. But should they need any guidance I'm sure they could contact you for any necessary help.

 

****ing like, like, like

 

Good point(s).

 

Tax revenues.

To aid the discussion

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2010/apr/25/tax-receipts-1963

 

I watched the debate and not at any point did Salmond give definitive answer as to wether they would use the pound. He said we can't stop you but never went on to say you would he just started babbling about 3 plan B options which makes no sense if your definitely using the pound and we can't stop you why do you need 3 more options?

I GOT IT but I'm not sure he did.....

 

I'd vote yes. The propaganda alone from the press and politicians is embarrassing.

 

Will Scotland vote yes? From what I've seen the no vote seems nailed on?

 

I'd vote YES. I hope they vote no though!

Watched both debates and don't think they will do much to sway people either way, however Salmond did much better in this debate. On the currency, as he says he wants to stick with monetary union, but also even if Westminster deny them that, there is absolutely nothing they can do if Scotland state that the UK pound is legal tender, it does cause an issue with borrowing etc but fundamentally they can still use it, in the same way as some countries use the US dollar.
His arguments on the NHS also I agree with.
Seriously considering moving up to Scotland if they do vote for independence.