Ched! It's not just us.....

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  1. Cun

    Cunning Stunt Well-Known Member

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    BBC news just now both national and local have just highlighted what we've all posted!
     
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    Actually what we've posted? Actual posts from the bbs?
     
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    Marc Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    "One Barnsley fan, Stunt from trap 2, had this to say...."
     
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    And world cup winner Mario said this...


    And he's right by the way.
     
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    'thereev' Banned Idiot

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    difficult one for thereev;

    yes Ched is a scumbag and is a convicted rapist so deserves no sympathy even after serving his time.

    on the other hand, Lee Hughes and that other scumbag from Plymouth (goalie) came back into football after KILLING people with their actions.

    Dunno really.... just don't know

    not much help i know when normally i hope this helps
     
    'thereev', Oct 17, 2014
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    I'm glad you've said that, because as much as rape is a truly awful thing I don't understand why Ched Evans gets so much more airtime than Lee Hughes. His behaviour cost a family a loved one that will never return, and tried to run from the crime.

    Please note, this post is more about Lee Hughes than condoning Ched Evans in any way, shape or form.
     
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    I wouldn't want him at our club. Not entirely convinced he should be allowed back in football at all, though I can see the argument that he's served his time. I think part of the difference for me between him and some of the other names mentioned is that rape is an intentional act, no-one rapes someone by accident.
     
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    Stupid phone posted before I'd finished.

    I'm not condoning any of the other crimes - far from it - but the perpetrators didn't set out to cause harm. Their actions may have been reckless, stupid and avoidable but they didn't set out to cause what happened. Evans did, he knowingly raped someone and unlike the others mentioned he refuses to accept any responsibility or show remorse.
     
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  9. North Yorks Red

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    Answer to that is time, at the time Hughes attracted loads of comment, it's just that with time he gets pushed to the back of peoples minds or they have said all they have to say about him.

    Another way of looking at Evans case is, he's done his time and is perfectly entitled to take up his former occupation, BUT clubs aren't obliged to take him on!
     
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    Exactly, someone with his conviction would never get another job in my industry, as nobody would take him on. And in my previous career, as a paediatric nurse, it wouldn't even be up for discussion, as he'd fail the police check.
     
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    I agree in part. Though at least Hughes expressed sorrow and contrition and knew he had been wrong unlike Ched
     
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    I'm surprised given the access to under-18s (youth teams, ball-boys, etc) and community work that all professional players do not require enhanced CRB checks before they can sign a professional contract. That would certainly stop this situation from ever coming up.
     
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    Thats true and though I dont often agree with political statements I think this is a decent comment from Richard Caborn - lifted from the BBC

    "Richard Caborn, former sports minister and ex-MP for Sheffield Central, said Evans must "show remorse and say sorry" before he can be considered for a return to playing professionally"

    Even if Evans doesnt consider it was rape ( I think most of us do though as did a jury) he must admit screwing a woman he had never met and who was too drunk to know what was going on is pretty dispicable behaviour but I get the impression he still thinks he has done nothing wrong - if thats really his view he has no place on a football pitch or any other role where he has contact with women or children.

    Isnt he being released on parole having served only half his sentence - I thought you didnt get parole unless you expressed remorse
     
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    His lass Natasha Massey has quit Twitter.......

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...490&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

    She comes across as quite weak and gullable and abit of a gold digger too. He will cheat on her again in the future. Probably not straight away but eventually he will go back to how he was before he got locked up. Then she probably will finish him then, but will be extremely well off because she will have enough on him to write a book nevermind newspaper/magazine stories.
     
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  15. Jimmy viz

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    Not to defend her in any way but I doubt she's a gold digger her dads mega rich and has funded his campaign
     
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    There are some horrible people on the internet who in their own way are just as bad as Ched Evans in my opinion -I don't understand why Massey hasn't dumped him but thats none of my business.

    People making threats to her because she is standing by her boyfriend and even to Chloe Madeley because her mum said some things which didnt fit the politically correct profile are just vile people who dont deserve any more respect than Evans.

    Wives and girlfriends of murderers don't get the same treatment so why this sort of Rape is seen as a worse crime than any other allowing open season on friends and family is beyond me
     
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  17. JLWBigLil

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    Very good point.
     
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    Someone with his conviction would never get a job in my industry either. Sport.
    No NGB that I work with would take him, no club I work with would take him. But Football seems to have a different set of rules, and footballers certainly seem to live by a different set of rules (well some of them do).

    It makes no sense at all to take him on.
    From a footballing point of view, he is 2 + years without a game, and whilst the talent may be there the match fitness may never be what it was.
    From a team point of view, it could be divisive. Assuming there are some footballers out there with basic morals who will see it for what it is and not just a "boys will be boys" thing.
    From a club/ marketing point of view it makes no sense. Fans are divided, plus it will generate bad feeling. I know Sheff Utd fans who will refuse to attend if he is signed. I also know someone who is making every excuse under the sun for him. Is he really worth the bother?
    Let's not forget that this is a player who badly let down his club, and his girlfriend, (who amazingly seems to think his actions on that night are acceptable), and was dismissed as a result, tried and convicted. His victim has been exposed, and had to change her identity.

    Are Sheffield United that desperate? Really? Wouldn't touch him with a bargepole.
     
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    Exactly, and nor do fans have any obligation to agree with or like the decision. Imagine if Evans starts banging the goals in for Sheffield United and an 8 year old Blade wants his name on his / her replica shirt. I wouldn't be too keen on my lad going round with a convicted rapist's name on his back, whether the rapist had served his sentence or not.
     
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    Some crimes against women are seen as lighter which is wrong. Mike Tyson is a rapist but people still love him and many went to his tour. Gazza is a wife beater but still idiolised by many. Ched is a rapist and all three men are equally as bad. That Evans has a link to one of our most hated rivals shouldn't make what he did any worse.
     
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