Is there any players missing?

We've had threads on most of em now haven't we?

 

Dale jennings... Have they sent him to fat camp?

 

Bring back Bobby Hassell !!

 

'Are' there any players missing. **** sake, Andrew.

 

Ent seen Winnall get a mention .......might be due to an affliction to his name

 

George Smith


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Apparently they're all ****.

Only player in our squad who has consistently performed poorly imho is Brown, but I'm not writing him off so soon in to his Barnsley career. He's strong, quick for a big lad and good in the air. And for someone who supposedly looks like a fish out of water going forward he's put some great crosses in to the box and played a part in a number of our goals. He's still quite young, he's inexperienced and he's only started 8 league games for us. If you think Brown has been bad you should have seen Joe Joyce when he first started his Barnsley career. Jesus, he was poor, but he turned out to be a solid, dependable full back. And something of a legend. Jooer for England.

Brown hasn't done it in the position Wilson brought him in to play. A number of wingers have had him on toast. It's not that he can't tackle, he just won't and persistently backs off. That looks like a problem with confidence to me. He's scared to commit to the tackle for the fear of making a mistake, but what he's ended up doing is even worse. So Wilson dropped him and brought in a young lad to take his place. On Tuesday that lad was knackered. He was beginning to struggle with the pace of the winger and the high balls out to the wing and in to the box. We needed to make a change and Brown was the only and obvious option. It backfired, Brown ****** up and we lost the game. It happens. At Rochdale a similar substitution nullified their attack and after being under the cosh for the first 20-25 minutes of the second half the rest of the game was pretty comfortable and we really should have won by more.

The majority of the rest of the players we've brought in have done a lot more good than bad imho. As have the players who remained. Yes, they've made some individual errors, at times their inexperience has told and they haven't gelled as a cohesive defensive unit. Without the ball we're not where we need to be. But as an attacking force we look better than we have done for years. Both individually and collectively they've produced some amazing pieces of skill, some brilliant football and we've carved open a lot of the opposition teams at will, even when we've lost. They way we've gelled as an attacking unit has come along much quicker than I expected. Now we need to find a balance between attack and defence.

One player that appears to be universally acclaimed is Cole. He's a fantastic young talent and we're lucky to have him here. But if he'd done his job on Tuesday and stuck away the chances that the rest of the team, who are getting such hammer, had helped to create for him, then the defence could have gone on holiday and we'd still have won. That's pretty much what they did and while conceding 3 goals at home is never acceptable, it shouldn't have mattered because we should have been out of sight. If we had converted our chances I very much doubt Notts County would have gone on to score the goals they did. The wind would have been taken from their sales and the manager would have been more concerned about preventing a proper drubbing rather than geeing up his troops for an attempt to win the game.

I'm not having a go at Cole. I can accept that he's still learning the game. But so are many others in our team. If we can forgive Cole his mistakes, which had every bit as much a bearing on the final result as the defensive errors, then surely we can be a bit more patient with players who don't have anywhere near Cole's natural talent.

After the Bradford game I said that we hadn't turned a corner, that it was just part of the slow progression the team are making, that we'd still lose games in the future, but we'd win plenty too. I just asked for a bit more patience when those losses came around. I pretty much got told I was talking ballacks. We were **** before the Bradford game, but now we are good, this being due to the terrible mistakes Wilson made in the transfer market and having to rectify those mistakes with loan signings. We weren't **** before we played Bradford, we'd played some great football in a number of games, we weren't brilliant because we beat Bradford, it clicked that game and it will in many other games this season, but the players are still young, they're still experienced, they'll still make mistakes and we'll still lose games. Folk are up and down like a brides nightie at the moment, from play-offs to sacking the manager and back again on the basis of one result. Unless you stop seeing each game in isolation and start to take a much broader view you're going to do yourself a mischief. If we're capable of doing what we did to Gillingham and Bradford and the first half against Notts County then we're obviously not ****. We've obviously got some very good football players at the club. But you can't expect everything to be perfect when the majority of the squad was put together in the two weeks before the season begun, after we sold O'Grady. You've got to allow us to progress. If you want to see us perform like we did against Bradford on a regular basis then give the team and manager some slack and give them some time. It took Wilson three years to get us promoted last time, we lost an awful lot of games in that time. Because he was afforded the time, because his team was allowed to evolve, we got to witness the best times our club has ever had.

I know I'm pissing in the wind. People don't want to encourage, they don't want to acknowledge the good things we're doing, they don't want to see a team evolve, they want things now, so they highlight the bad, they point fingers, be that at the manager or an individual player they've taken a dislike to. Because we all know the only way to improve is to sack the manager and replace the squad. That approach has been working so well for us for the last decade or so.

I don't understand it, but I'm not going to stop trying to give an alternative view, which I know is shared by a number of people who don't feel the need to vent their spleens every time we lose.

 

Totally agree Jay, I can't see some fans giving this team the time it needs unfortunately. I imagine once Smith is fit we will have a proper LB although i'm sure people will find some faults with him aswell even though I think he has the potential to be as good as Stones/Bree

 

That. Every day of the week, twice on Sundays.

 

I agree

But then, I openly admit I know bugger all about football.

 

Well said Jay, pretty good that mate, I keep saying I am happy with the personnel we have, we now need a system that suits and to upgrade our fitness levels. Think Tuesday pretty much summed us up so far, some great attacking play ruined by horrible defending. Lets hope time will sort us, sure it will, it's like Lita, still think he is a top lad for this league. Looking forward to seeing him again, once he's up for it.

 

Not for the first time, that's an outstanding post, Jay and one I'd agree with 100%. You're definitely not alone in your thinking. Most of the lads on here whose views I appreciate reading the most seem to be of the same opinion as the one you've offered up there. As am I. Which is why I posted this thread. Although to be honest, I was going to go down a more antagonistic route with it. Because I've been pissed off the last couple of days reading thread after thread ripping into player after player. So when I saw another James Bree thread I had to say summat. But, as I'm now learning in my old age, I went down a more pleasant route rather than riling anyone up.


I should just be grateful that my two favourite laikers didn't get a thread. I'd have snapped then. Still a lovely person, despite learning and age, etc.

 

Which two are they? Winnall and?

 

Chuck.

 

He's really grown on me has Den Perry

 

That's exactly what the majority of folk think mate, they just can't be arsed repeating it for the benefit of the drama queens every week. Kudos for keeping at it.

 

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Good post as usual .

 

I broadly agree with Jay's pretty positive outlook on things. However, the way I see it we are two players short of a strong side at this level. I said it after the first game of the season and I've not changed my mind.

Firstly, a target man. I get the arguments that the games changed, we're playing it on the floor etc etc etc. But in my opinion, to get this far into a season without a proper hold up player is negligence. This isn't a dig at Winnall who I rate. I just think a physical centre forward takes pressure off the midfield and defence (particularly in away games where we're under the cosh) as well as added a threat from set pieces. We've got four decent forwards at this level but all of them require a target man alongside them.

Secondly, a defensive midfielder. Again, not a criticism of Digby who I think has been unfairly targeted after Tuesday night. As I saw it, he offered more in the first half than Berry has all season. But his inexperience told and he drifted out of the game badly in the second half. As Williams and Hourihane are not defensive minded and Berry isn't physically imposing, teams waltz through our midfield with ease. Bailey has ability but doesn't strike me as a natural ball winner. I'm not criticising the midfield diamond as a whole because despite the problems we've also played some terrific football as a result of it. I just think the right personnel is required. For me, that's a couple of imposing midfielders able to press and do the running for Williams and Conor.

 

Fair points imho. Constructive criticism and that. I've heard Wilson himself say we need a target man and more bite in midfield. However, it's not that easy at the moment with the transfer window closed and only loans available. Wilson doesn't strike me as the kind of manager who will bring just anyone in to fill a gap. He'll wait to get the right player. That doesn't mean all his signings are great, some of them don't work out, but I believe he signs them because he genuinely believes in them. We've had a number of managers over the last decade or so who'll just fill the squad with what's available and we end up with one or two decent players and a squad that we can't do anything with; either on the field or in the transfer market. I think we've now got some quality players at the club, it's just the vital ingredients of size and strength are missing. I'm prepared to wait to get the right ones who Wilson believes will compliment our flair players, rather than filling a squad place with someone we'll be desperate to rid ourselves of in a couple of months when much better becomes available.