Ched Evans

A recent history of SUFC summarised perfectly.

 

Aye but we have mellis, ranger, oconnor, butterfield, howard and co, dawson and etuhu to add to our own dirty list. And thats without mentioning fans singing racistsongs on tv, chopra stamping on a player laid on the floor, the owner up in court on fraud charges, administration and not paying off debts to small companies, owner threatening fans, fans threatened with lawsuits and coins thrown at opposition players from the stands.

Every club has a dirty history if you look for it

 

A young girl has been hounded from her home, had death threats, had to leave her second life following more death threats. Her life has been impacted in a way that no ones should be. Regardless of the situation you could feel sorry and express regret for that. He could just imagine his girlfriend/sister/mother in that situation and show remorse on that basis. In your analogy the tin of beans the shoplifter is accused of nicking has no feelings/life to impact.

 

True, that.

I feel that our signing of Ranger was as low as we've ever sunk in well over a century.

He's proper, genuine scum, and I was really unhappy when we brought him in.

In my view, we should steer clear of these utter numpties. It's not as though Ranger and the like are Messi-esque, gold-plated, guaranteed to improve us as a club, so they will always cause more harm than good.

 

Spot on. Also to add to this I would say that even if he is successful in his appeal what he did was pretty low, disrespectful, murky and downright unpleasant. For this alone I think he should show remorse for his actions towards another human being.

 

You're quite right, every club has skeletons and has done things that cast a shadow over it but some actions go beyond the pale and not all clubs have shadows so dark cast over them.

 

Exactly. It's perfectly possible to completely ruin someone's life without breaking any laws whatsoever, it happens all the time. He could show remorse for his actions, illegal or otherwise.

 

Court of law says different so point mute.
Ffs How can you compare what he has done to stealing?
If you cannot see a difference in his actions to those whom you have just quoted then we may as well have one sentence for all crimes in your opinion .
The man will have been separated in prison as the other lags would have incurred violence on him for the type of crime he committed .
The bloke is a nonce

PS
If he is denying it he has to live with the consequences of being considered a liar until he proves otherwise another reason not to be allowed in public eye

 

I would have thought the more heinous the crime the more determined an individual wrongly convicted would be to clear their name as opposed to a apologising to their wrongful accuser.
I suspect many on here would view this differently were it to have been one of ours.
I have voiced my concerns about the conviction on here previously and the case is to be fast-tracked by the criminal cases review commission.
It may come to nothing and he'll be forever branded but even then why should he simply accept it if he knows it to be false?
Is that what we would all do, advise friends or family to do in similar circumstances or would you continue to fight to overturn what you knew to be a miscarriage of justice? Of which, by the way, there have been many.

 

nearly had a thread where everyone agreed, and nobody falls out ...... was never gonna last

 

Prisons are full of innocent sex offenders , just ask any of them

 

True to an extent and including some I've put there, but my point is that you have to examine the facts of each individual case and out aside any prejudice you may feel towards the accused.

Look to the case of Stefan Kiszko to see how things can and sometimes do go horribly wrong.

It took 16 years to clear his name, during which time he was no doubt castigated for showing no remorse for something he knew, albeit convicted, he hadn't done.

Given the stigma of sex offending it is true that many choose to deny culpability notwithstanding their guilt. They'd rather be convicted by a jury than plead because that way they can continue to maintain innocence. But it works the other way too and I can fully understand those who are wrongly convicted fighting to clear their name, even in the face of public clamour for repentance.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30015701

Can't blame her.

 

I've just read the club statement and listened to Cloughs audioboo. His (to be expected) replies were all referring back to the statement. I know I wasn't expecting owt else but reading between the lines I'd guess NC is dead set against it. It's ***** (again to be expected from them) to put a manager in a position to have to field media questions when it's a club decision. Some board/owner etc should be the one imho. They're the ones who've created the whole situation. They could just have said NO straight up and we'd not even be talking about it.
They beggar belief that lot! They really do.

 

Its a nonsense claiming the club have a legal obligation to give Evans an opportunity to continue his career

 

Nobody seems to be questioning the PFA's role in any of this

It would appear that it's they who have prompted this latest episode.

 

The Jess Ennis point is a really good and valid one. Now if she asked for her name removing from the stand that would be 'news worthy'! She'd, I guess, do it for the same/similar reasons if it happened. She doesn't need the publicity, that'd be world wide news. Go on Jess lass...... do it, do it!

 

Personally I hated Shitfailed United before it became fashionable...

 

I've decided I want to be a professional footballer. I want to play for Barnsley. Using the Ched Evans case as precedent, I reckon Barnsley have a legal obligation to take me on. Unlike Ched I don't have a previous conviction for rape. Actually, I've never been to prison at all. So things should move on much smoother. I'll take me booits down to Oakwell tomorrow. I hope they don't train in the mornings, I'm not very good in the mornings.

 

, I'm not very good in the mornings.[/QUOTE]

Or afternoons